The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[Urs Max]

	Quote:	k_and_e
	Why not withdraw article 50 on 28th March and again plan to leave one week later? like this the whole EU cannot move forward and the UK would get a much better negotiation position.

That would be against good faith.

[22 yards]

If Brexit does go ahead, at least the UK will have moral support from one friend.

How does this work?

[SOBEIT]

A Paddy?

[marton]

Not directly Brexit but an indicator of trustworthiness of one of the key people involved!

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	Boris Johnson has offered MPs a “full and unreserved apology” over the late declaration of more than £52,000 in income. He made the apology to the House of Commons having been told to do so after he repeatedly failed to register payments from his newspaper column and books within the set time limit. In a report, the parliamentary commissioner for standards, Kathryn Stone, said that the former foreign secretary admitted he had failed to register payments in time on nine occasions in the previous 12 months.

Source

[Jim2007]

Norwegian politicians reject UK's Norway Plus Brexit plan

This is something we (Switzerland) may have to address in the coming months.

It is not in our interests either to have a temporary member in EFTA, especially a dominant member who intends to use it as a stop gap solution while it prepares to move on to something else. It is an important part of our trade strategy and must be protected.

[marton]

There were the Brexit Betrayal march and the counter-demonstration in central London today; there are claims that there were many more counter-demonstrators but no official numbers so far.

[Odile]

Channel 4, Real Brexit Debate- now.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	Odile
	Channel 4, Real Brexit Debate- now.

Thanks for the heads up. Had to take myself for a long walk to calm down after watching Bojo on Marr.

[Odile]

Wow I know- tv nearly did not survive- and too much rain to go out for walk

Caroline is fantastic. Barry Gardner advocating Swiss style deal - so either he is totally ignorant, or totally dishonest

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	Odile
	Caroline is fantastic.

Caroline has nothing to lose, and she's by far, the most eloquent of the bunch. Bazza will stick to the party line to elect a Labour government, but the bottom line is that they're not offering anything different to the Tories. I've got a lot of hardline Labour friends who are utterly disillusioned with Corbyn and questioning how they would vote in a General Election, but it won't be for my party, who have disappeared from the fray.

In this lifetime, I will never, ever vote Tory, but like most of my friends, and for the first time in over 40yrs, I'm currently politically homeless.

[Odile]

Yep, same here. If there is a GE, and Corbyn heads labour- despite the vast ghastly mess the Tories have got us in, they will win again. And 1000s will vote Green or Lib Dems - but with FPP, will get nowhere.

Perhaps if he made way for Starmer, they might have a chance.

Although I don’t want a second referendum, I would be curious to see how Remain would go about their campaign were there to be one. How on earth could you make the case for the EU at the moment when Paris is in flames, the far right are sharing power in Austria and Italy and they’ve rolled out the plans for an EU army? I can’t see it being anything other than a doubling down of project fear, which would undoubtedly lose again.

	Quote:	Odile
	Caroline is fantastic.

Yeah, her best moment was “Brexit is a project of the right, for the right, by the right”, when the biggest Brexiteer going is Comrade Corbyn

[Blueangel]

Come on Loz. You know better than that.

Political beliefs are a circle, that's how those on the far left and far right share many beliefs, though they would never admit to it. As for the riots in France - that's domestic policy...and rise of the far right in Europe - the bastards never went away. They've been there all my life, the only difference is that these days, it's far easier to follow the paper trail back to who sponsors them.

[Blueangel]

Andy Serkis has played a blinder

How does this work?

[Swisstree]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	Andy Serkis has played a blinder

That brought a tear or two.. good man, Serkis.

Next: put a white robe on Corbyn, give him a big stick and send him off to talk to the trees.

[John William]

	Quote:	Swisstree
	That brought a tear or two.. good man, Serkis. Next: put a white robe on Corbyn, give him a big stick and send him off to talk to the trees.

Followed by Jacob Rees-Mogg who clearly belongs to another decade, if only the Tardis was for real and
we could send him back on a one way ticket to the 1930's.

	Quote:	Blueangel
	Come on Loz. You know better than that. Political beliefs are a circle, that's how those on the far left and far right share many beliefs, though they would never admit to it. As for the riots in France - that's domestic policy...and rise of the far right in Europe - the bastards never went away. They've been there all my life, the only difference is that these days, it's far easier to follow the paper trail back to who sponsors them.

This is the problem that Remainers will need to solve if they want to reverse the referendum result. Project Fear won’t wash, a compelling case for remaining in the EU needs to be made. I don’t believe this is possible for the fundamental reason that whilst we can debate if now is the right time to leave, you can’t get away from the fact that the EU is on a journey that most Brits, including Remainers, don’t want to be a part of.

	Quote:	Blueangel
	In this lifetime, I will never, ever vote Tory, but like most of my friends, and for the first time in over 40yrs, I'm currently politically homeless.

Then don’t vote! Politicians hate nothing more. Without votes they cannot claim to “represent” you.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	This is the problem that Remainers will need to solve if they want to reverse the referendum result. Project Fear won’t wash, a compelling case for remaining in the EU needs to be made.

Are you really still swallowing the Project Fear line? Really?

No matter how much people want to leave the EU, I credit them with the common sense to spot the proliferation of Generation Identity flags at the march yesterday and recognise at least one faction who gain from all this.

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Then don’t vote! Politicians hate nothing more. Without votes they cannot claim to “represent” you.

When people died so that I can vote, that's never going to happen!

	Quote:	Blueangel
	Are you really still swallowing the Project Fear line? Really? No matter how much people want to leave the EU, I credit them with the common sense to spot the proliferation of Generation Identity flags at the march yesterday and recognise at least one faction who gain from all this. When people died so that I can vote, that's never going to happen!

People died so you could have teh choice, you shouldn’t conflate the two.

So what exactly is the compelling argument for remaining in the EU? I’ve not heard it for a long time. Was the same with the Scottish referendum.