The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Then don’t vote! Politicians hate nothing more. Without votes they cannot claim to “represent” you.

Oh dear, no wonder you swallow all the BREXIT BS then.

[Blueangel]

Just confirmed...

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	EU Court of Justice‏ @EUCourtPress #ECJ: UK is free to unilaterally revoke the notification of its intention to withdraw from the EU – Case C-621/18 Wightman #Brexit

https://twitter.com/EUCourtPress/sta...39706123210752

[bowlie]

ECJ rulings cannot be appealed. At least this is an end to the questions related to Article 50.

Nothing prevents the Commission, or more likely the Council, from proposing changes to article 50, but that won’t apply retroactively.

So a third option is on the table. I hope the Parliament votes on this, although I doubt they will be given that opportunity.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	bowlie
	So a third option is on the table. I hope the Parliament votes on this, although I doubt they will be given that opportunity.

Faisal Islam's tweets on this are interesting. There's several of them...

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	Faisal Islam‏Verified account @faisalislam ECJ says revocation “under terms that are unchanged” - ie no schengen, eurozone, rebate (though Commission is trying to axe all rebates generally) 12:13 AM - 10 Dec 2018

https://twitter.com/faisalislam/stat...41520885321730

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	bowlie
	Nothing prevents the Commission, or more likely the Council, from proposing changes to article 50, but that won’t apply retroactively.

They can propose all they like, but nothing would happen without a referendum in Ireland and that is unlikely to happen.

[bowlie]

	Quote:	Jim2007
	They can propose all they like, but nothing would happen without a referendum in Ireland and that is unlikely to happen.

That’s leading us off topic. Of course any amendment to the European Treaties would require any necessary national requirements. I believe the Belgium states need to also agee ...

But the ECJ has ruled. Any Member State issuing an Article 50 notice can withdraw it. Status quo ante would prevail and no other MS could veto it.

I still believe that all 27 would actually be happier with the UK in, rather than out.

[Odile]

So, she is apparently pulling tomorrow's vote - what next???

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	Odile
	So, she is apparently pulling tomorrow's vote - what next???

. Smaygol wants a shinier precioussssssss

[Odile]

Like this :

https://youtu.be/Tjp5OmoDYQM

yes, we wants it, we do

[Mikers]

	Quote:	Odile
	So, she is apparently pulling tomorrow's vote - what next???

It might not be curtains for her. She'll get it through if she can change it so that we can exit the backstop not at the EU's agreement, but its hugely unlikely. She's so reputationally battered now you'd have to say she'll either go when the vote happens and she loses or a straight no confidence motion.

the chance of Brexit actually occurring now is really very small, I would say we should be back to as-you-were by around feb or march. Mind you, it's been great Telly.

[Blueangel]

Ooooo...!!!!

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	Nicola Sturgeon‏Verified account @NicolaSturgeon So @jeremycorbyn - if Labour, as official opposition, lodges motion of no confidence in this incompetent government tomorrow, @theSNP will support & we can then work together to give people the chance to stop Brexit in another vote. This shambles can’t go on - so how about it? 5:22 AM - 10 Dec 2018

https://twitter.com/NicolaSturgeon/s...19477758758917

[Medea Fleecestealer]

	Quote:	Mikers
	It might not be curtains for her. She'll get it through if she can change it so that we can exit the backstop not at the EU's agreement, but its hugely unlikely. She's so reputationally battered now you'd have to say she'll either go when the vote happens and she loses or a straight no confidence motion. the chance of Brexit actually occurring now is really very small, I would say we should be back to as-you-were by around feb or march. Mind you, it's been great Telly.

Really. So when the next referendum (because there will need to be one, otherwise people will raise the roof in anger) still comes out as Leave you'll be fine accepting that result.

[StirB]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	Ooooo...!!!! https://twitter.com/NicolaSturgeon/s...19477758758917

The one decent politician left in the country pounces. Delicious.

[Swisstree]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	Ooooo...!!!! https://twitter.com/NicolaSturgeon/s...19477758758917

You couldn't make this crap up. So, in short we will move from one cobbled together government to another.

Already said numerous times Brexit is undeliverable, but here's Mrs. May still attempting to drive the clapped-out-one-wheeled truck with all the tory rabble in tow.

Anyone notice Boris and his neat want to be prime minster haircut on Andrew Marr yesterday?

[Mikers]

	Quote:	Medea Fleecestealer
	Really. So when the next referendum (because there will need to be one, otherwise people will raise the roof in anger) still comes out as Leave you'll be fine accepting that result.

I don't think there will be one after that. I think there will be a referendum / people's vote / tombola that will end up with the result being "lets stay in the EU" and that'll be it. There will be a lot of unrest and heavily disenfranchised people because it will end faith in democracy here, but it's what I think will happen.

Any anyway, while im here, let me tell you what i really think: I think this is all planned. I think from the moment May took over, behind the scenes this has been agreed how it will play out - the whole "carrying on in the face of defeat", the people's vote movement, the lot. I think its clever activity from powerful people behind the scenes and May has been told her destiny - to carry Brexit to failure, so that we can then reverse the decision - and to her credit she's performing here slow suicide with great aplomb. I feel sorry for her having to take the fall like this for her country in the interest of the greater good.

The people on the street can't beat the people in power. It doesnt matter whether its Brexit or big business, little people dont win.

[Odile]

Yes- does he really thing a new haircut would fool anyone that he is PM material. Or that he understands the 'personal responsibility' (when 1000s of jobs are lost).

But one good thing came out of the interview- for once, in a long time, Andrew Marr was having none of it - and at the end just cut him short- we have run out of time- and I've run out of road with you (at first, I heard 'rope').

Announcement in just over 1 hour as said so many times recently, you really could never ever make this **** up, could you

[Odile]

	Quote:	StirB
	The one decent politician left in the country pounces. Delicious.

combined with Caroline Lucas and Anna Soubry- and a few more -

	Quote:	Blueangel
	Ooooo...!!!! https://twitter.com/NicolaSturgeon/s...19477758758917

Hope someone’s told her that Labour + SNP < number needed to pass vote of no confidence.

	Quote:	Odile
	combined with Caroline Lucas and Anna Soubry- and a few more -

“Anyone who agrees with me is decent!”

[StirB]

I'd say anyone who's position is consistent and not malleable to personal expediency is decent.

Of the party leaders, few have been as forthright and consistent on Brexit as Wee Nicola.