The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH - Page 774

#**15461** 10.12.2018, 16:30

Is there anyone, but really, anyone- in the Tory party who has the stature and the intelligence, the ability to re-unite, never mind the Party, but the Country - that could take over?!?

BoJo - nope
Rees-Mogg - nope
Gove - nope
the list is endless ... nope

Belgianmum · #**15462** 10.12.2018, 16:49

	Quote:
	Is there anyone, but really, anyone- in the Tory party who has the stature and the intelligence, the ability to re-unite, never mind the Party, but the Country - that could take over?!? BoJo - nope Rees-Mogg - nope Gove - nope the list is endless ... nope

Is there really anyone in any party who is capable of reuniting the country? I don’t think so personally.

grumpygrapefruit · #**15463** 10.12.2018, 16:55

	Quote:	Medea Fleecestealer
	Really. So when the next referendum (because there will need to be one, otherwise people will raise the roof in anger) still comes out as Leave you'll be fine accepting that result.

I would be fine accepting the result as long as the referendum asked what type of Brexit people wanted. Hard, the agreement we have been offered now, a soft one with ties to the EU like the Norway one, as well as questions about what should happen with the Ireland border. All questions that should have been in the first referendum.

But I've been thinking over the last few weeks that May has been playing a clever game, I've actually had some sneaky admiration for the way she has stuck at it and got an agreement, probably the only one that could possibly work. But of course parliament will reject it and she'll just hold up her hands and say "Ok, I've done my best, there isn't a better agreement possible, what do you want to do? Let's ask the people again!"

And I reckon she's confident that a 2nd referendum will vote to remain, which is what she wanted all along.

At the end of the day the whole thing is a farce and immensely embarrassing and damaging to the UK.

John William · #**15464** 10.12.2018, 16:58

	Quote:
	Is there anyone, but really, anyone- in the Tory party who has the stature and the intelligence, the ability to re-unite, never mind the Party, but the Country - that could take over?!? BoJo - nope Rees-Mogg - nope Gove - nope the list is endless ... nope

Looks like now's the time for the Official Monster Raving Looney Party to challenge every Parliamentary
seat in the country - if this issue happens to be decided by another General Election.

#**15465** 10.12.2018, 17:32

Any minute now ...

blimey - what next ?!?

PanFastic · #**15466** 10.12.2018, 18:22

"the vote is definitely going ahead - (last week)

"the vote is not going ahead - (today)

If we lie to friends, family and to the state as the politicians lie - what will happen to us I wonder?!

"we are not laughing stock yet" (LBC presenter Sheila Fogerty saying earlier on)
I think we are all well past that point!

bowlie · #**15467** 10.12.2018, 18:39

And the Speaker suggests that Parliament itself should decide if the vote is delayed. I wonder when they will schedule that vote.

#**15468** 10.12.2018, 18:55

Anything from the DUP? Nah.. I'd like to see Arlene climb back under her bigotry rock to ponder over the fact she doesn't represent everyone in N.I.

What a complete mess.

#**15469** 10.12.2018, 20:21

Respect the vote of 2016 - blablabla ...

How can ult-leavers say they knew exactly what they voted for! Not even te Government had any idea of the consequences- they had not even considered the backstop and Ireland, or the effect on industry, supply chains, medical supplies, international security, Galileo and research projects, flights - I mean Raab didn't even know the UK is an island, depending on access to ports ...

Respect the vote - do you mean the massive lies, the fraud, foreign interference (btw what is happening with the Arron Banks case?!? hushed up), electoral cheating - especially in the context of such a tiny minority. And now IDS is threatening that the country will burn - so we get back control- to be blackmailed by the EDL and BF. What control

Respect for this mess - really ?

lewton · #**15470** 10.12.2018, 20:28

	Quote:	Belgianmum
	Is there really anyone in any party who is capable of reuniting the country? I don’t think so personally.

Sturgeon has united her country.
Oh wait a minute, that's another country and it'll join the EU soon.

#**15471** 10.12.2018, 23:11

So, could Corbyn finally be coming off his blo**y fence!

“BREAKING- Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn applies for emergency debate under SO 24 in order to debate the PM's unilateral decision to suspend her Brexit vote and the manner in which she did it which brought 'the house into disrepute' and 'treats MPs with despair' #BrexitShambles”
from Twitter but mentioned on bbc just now.

Blimey- it is all hotting up now - the Mace!

https://youtu.be/p36YNABovEE

Brianzoeu · #**15472** 11.12.2018, 03:12

Are May and the EU conspiring for a second referendum?

How does this work?

greenmount · #**15473** 11.12.2018, 10:05

Yeah. In short, globalism is OK when it works for us. When it's starting to show its claws like it did for most of the buggers, it sucks.
It's OK, we understand the feeling.

#**15474** 11.12.2018, 10:25

If there is no Brexit, do you not think there will be a collective sigh of relief amongst heads of state, not just closer to home in Ireland/europe, but in Canada, Australia & NZ too? With China and Russia steadily ramping up the aggression and threats to security, and Trump stirring up trouble globally, a united Europe I think will be seen as a good answer to an unsure future.

I didn’t vote the first time round as I was so frustratingly undecided, and yes I am very critical of the closed door, non-transparent EU. However, if there’s another referendum, I will eagerly vote to remain. Brexit is undeliverable, full stop. We need to have a seat at the table and get on with it.

It’s been a farcical long drawn-out chaotic shambles and the government needs to get back to governing the country as a priority. It too is a mess.

#**15475** 11.12.2018, 10:42

	Quote:	Swisstree
	If there is no Brexit, do you not think there will be a collective sigh of relief amongst heads of state, not just closer to home in Ireland/europe, but in Canada, Australia & NZ too? With China and Russia steadily ramping up the aggression and threats to security, and Trump stirring up trouble globally, a united Europe I think will be seen as a good answer to an unsure future.

You really think cancelling Brexit will make all this go away?

#**15476** 11.12.2018, 10:57

You really think NOT cancelling Brexit will?

Europe needs to stand together and be strong. There is a good reason why some have worked so hard to divide ... and rule. So much for taking back control

#**15477** 11.12.2018, 11:04

	Quote:
	You really think NOT cancelling Brexit will? Europe needs to stand together and be strong. There is a good reason why some have worked so hard to divide ... and rule. So much for taking back control

Not really, however there's a mandate for exiting the EU, there's nothing for cancelling Brexit.

22 yards · #**15478** 11.12.2018, 11:17

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Not really, however there's a mandate for exiting the EU, there's nothing for cancelling Brexit.

Until a second referendum is held.

#**15479** 11.12.2018, 11:21

	Quote:	22 yards
	Until a second referendum is held.

Which would have the same result as the first.

#**15480** 11.12.2018, 11:23

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Which would have the same result as the first.

That's a bold assumption considering most of the polls point to the referendum sliding significantly in favour of Remain, if it were held again.