The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[Blueangel]

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	Faisal Islam‏Verified account @faisalislam That makes 28 letters confirmed to us on @katewilsea spreadsheet, not all public. 2:19 AM - 11 Dec 2018

https://twitter.com/faisalislam/stat...35628913111041

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	They didn't have zero-hour contracts in 1971.

Yup, knock the 3% of the workforce who have those as their main source of employment off, and you drop to or possibly a bit below the mean for that graph.

[marton]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Not really, however there's a mandate for exiting the EU, there's nothing for cancelling Brexit.

Referendum was advisory, not mandatory

[bobma]

No need for another referendum, just recount the old one from 2016, but not the votes of those who have since died.
For added confidence let those who have turned 18 since then have a vote.
Job done; a remain majority with no one changing their mind.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	bobma
	...but not the votes of those who have since died.

Slight problem. Ballots are secret, so you can't identify which votes to discount.

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Yeah, whatever. If you really want to see poor standards of living and inequality in the UK then visit your nearest Labour safe-seat. Keep them needy, keep them poor, keep on telling them that a few privileged rich people are to blame. Decades of voting Labour and still in the same shit as before. And what's more, they still believe that Labour is their only hope. Back in the real world:

Same old, same old.. if you think it's bad now you should see it when the unicorns are in full flight.

Back in the real world: The IFS has predicted the number of children living in poverty will soar to a record 5.2 million over the next five years as government welfare cuts bite, more than reversing all the progress made over the past 20 years.

[bigblue2]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Yeah, whatever. If you really want to see poor standards of living and inequality in the UK then visit your nearest Labour safe-seat. Keep them needy, keep them poor, keep on telling them that a few privileged rich people are to blame. Decades of voting Labour and still in the same shit as before. And what's more, they still believe that Labour is their only hope.

holly crap whats just happened??? I'm agreeing with Loz

It really hacks me off when labour and labour supporters go on and on about the poor, the state of the nhs, pensions, council cuts etc etc etc, they where in power for 13 years and totally screwed things up, yet its not their fault, seems they conveniently forget about the damage they did to everyones pension funds via their tax grab.

[bowlie]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Unless Remain can come up with something other than Project Fear (they won't) then I'd put large money on Leave winning again.

Project fear, as you call it, is all about the negative consequences to Britain and the British people should Britain leave the EU. Labelling them with a scary name doesn’t mean that they don’t exist, only that some either think they won’t happen, or believe that it won’t actually be that bad, or prefer to assume an Ostrich position and refuse to listen. Much, but not everything,that has been labelled project fear are likely consequences.

But tagging them with a phony lable doesn’t make them irrelevant.

[John William]

	Quote:	Belgianmum
	There are more roadshows planned by the British embassy in 2019 for those of you who are interested. https://www.gov.uk/government/news/b...in-switzerland

Great I suggest we all turn up for the British Embassy roadshows in Laurel and Hardy costumes and open
the debate by saying . . . . . .





No doubt those Expats with children can bring them along too dressed as Little Lord Fauntleroy's
to have a dig at the Brexit establishment of Boris Johnson and Jacob Rees-Mogg.

	Quote:	bigblue2
	holly crap whats just happened??? I'm agreeing with Loz It really hacks me off when labour and labour supporters go on and on about the poor, the state of the nhs, pensions, council cuts etc etc etc, they where in power for 13 years and totally screwed things up, yet its not their fault, seems they conveniently forget about the damage they did to everyones pension funds via their tax grab.

I am not a labour supporter, nor do you need to be to have grave concerns about the effects of cutbacks on services across education and health. Those of us living here in the UK experience it everyday.

Folks have few political choices, it's extreme either way. The Lib Dems aren't in the picture so you're screwed as the middle ground has all but disappeared.

Don't forget the Greens, Caroline Lucas has been amazing.

But yes ... many of us feel totally politically 'homeless' - and it is time the FPP system, its see saw politics of extremes- was got rid of- and for more cooperation across the political spectrum.

I am beyond angry at Corbyn, for sure, for sitting on the blood* fence, putting party before country- whatever happens he would not get my vote, for sure.

[Brianzoeu]

Big economies such as Australia and Brazil trade under WTO rules, not sure why would that be bad for the UK.

The UK is a country with a somewhat efficient public management (compared to the EU) and a modern economy based on classical liberalism. The EU is on other hand is based on the idea of a socialist super-state full of regulations, laws, and ideas that can not be compatible with all the variety of cultures and ways of thinking. Add to that that the Euro will explode not so far away accelerating the end of the EU, then it seems the UK is in the right moment to jump off.

Sincerely I struggle to see the UK doing any worse after Brexit. It is the biggest European market for Germany, France, Italy,etc. and only if the EU bureaucrats are more stupid than they really seem to be to choose not to close a trade deal. Not to mention the possibilityof the UK to strike trade deals with the Nafta and Mercosur.

[Blueangel]

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	Sky News Politics‏Verified account @SkyNewsPolitics 2h2 hours agoTheresa May gets locked inside her car as she attempts to meet German Chancellor Angela Merkel

https://twitter.com/SkyNewsPolitics/...63780007809024

[Brianzoeu]

How does this work?

How does this work?

	Quote:	Blueangel
	https://twitter.com/SkyNewsPolitics/...63780007809024

Best place for her, she can't negotiate an even worse deal that way.

[marton]

	Quote:	Brianzoeu
	Big economies such as Australia and Brazil trade under WTO rules, not sure why would that be bad for the UK. The UK is a country with a somewhat efficient public management (compared to the EU) and a modern economy based on classical liberalism. The EU is on other hand is based on the idea of a socialist super-state full of regulations, laws, and ideas that can not be compatible with all the variety of cultures and ways of thinking. Add to that that the Euro will explode not so far away accelerating the end of the EU, then it seems the UK is in the right moment to jump off. Sincerely I struggle to see the UK doing any worse after Brexit. It is the biggest European market for Germany, France, Italy,etc. and only if the EU bureaucrats are more stupid than they really seem to be to choose not to close a trade deal. Not to mention the possibilityof the UK to strike trade deals with the Nafta and Mercosur.

The UK applied to the WTO but were rejected by around 20 countries "not sure why would that be bad for the UK"!

	Quote:	Blueangel
	https://twitter.com/SkyNewsPolitics/...63780007809024

Got the child-locks, all that's missing is the Hello Kitty sunshade in the window.

[lewton]

So businesses are expected to wait until January 2019 to know under what terms they can trade with the EU from March 2019?
Has any of those idiots in the Conservative party ever worked?

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	Brianzoeu
	Big economies such as Australia and Brazil trade under WTO rules, not sure why would that be bad for the UK.

If it was such a great idea, why have they negotiated some many trade deals and why are the negotiating a deal with the EU at the moment.

As for the rest, twaddle that was hashed out months ago. Try and read up.

	Quote:	Jim2007
	If it was such a great idea, why have they negotiated some many trade deals and why are the negotiating a deal with the EU at the moment. As for the rest, twaddle that was hashed out months ago. Try and read up.

Because free trade deals are better than WTO, and large economies are able to negotiate them to their benefit. Australia has negotiated free trade agreements worth way more than the EU has.