The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

	Quote:	Brianzoeu
	Yes, I think for myself... I analyse, compare, and reach my own conclusions. You on the other hand probably believe in everything you read and hear from the corrupt media. Congrats.

Just out of curiosity, what makes you think the information you read is any less corrupt or more correct?

Presumably you CHOOSE to believe it because it aligns more with what you believe / hope?

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	Brianzoeu
	Yes, I think for myself... I analyse, compare, and reach my own conclusions. You on the other hand probably believe in everything you read and hear from the corrupt media. Congrats.

And you were going so well until you added ‘from the corrupt media’. That translates to ‘I don’t fact check or read original sources I pick the media that validates my biases and go with that’. A big Kelly-Anne fan, no doubt!

[Troublawesome]

Brianzoeu added to the ignore list. A mod should also delete his six consecutive spam posts. It's 2018, you'd expect people can use a forum by now.

[gaburko]

Just when I thought that my favorite tragicomedy show, Brexit, was about to end they made a whole new season! I'm so excited, this will continue for a while longer and it's only going to get better! The levels of embarrassment the English are reaching are quite entertaining and they seem poised to only get higher! Gettin' my popcorn ready!

	Quote:	gaburko
	Just when I thought that my favorite tragicomedy show, Brexit, was about to end they made a whole new season! I'm so excited, this will continue for a while longer and it's only going to get better! The levels of embarrassment the English are reaching are quite entertaining and they seem poised to only get higher! Gettin' my popcorn ready!

We're aiming for the Trump levels of national humiliation but it's taking some serious effort to get that far.

[gaburko]

	Quote:
	We're aiming for the Trump levels of national humiliation but it's taking some serious effort to get that far.

You have the whole Government and the whole Parliament of England working really really hard to get there! They seem to be fairly successful. I have full confidence they'll make it.

Liam Fox was clearly hitting the taxpayer subsidized gin last night, when he tweeted this out (remarkably, he hasn't deleted it yet!)...


"I welcome the approval of the EU-Japan economic partnership agreement yesterday, which could boost UK GDP by up to £3bn in the long run. Japan is a vocal defender of free trade and this agreement will form the basis of our new, stronger trading relationship as we leave the EU."

	Quote:	gaburko
	You have the whole Government and the whole Parliament of England working really really hard to get there! They seem to be fairly successful. I have full confidence they'll make it.

"Parliament of England". That's the next project apparently...

[marton]

	Quote:	Brianzoeu
	Debt to GDP in 2017 was lower than it was in 2016, so relatively it's in a decline .

But my post was about 2018

	Quote:
	"Parliament of England". That's the next project apparently...

I fookin' hope so.

[marton]

So Brexit has moved from
"We are negotiating from a position of great strength"
to
"The PM is in Brussels begging for a better deal".

What a fine mess you got us into!!

[greenmount]

	Quote:	Brianzoeu
	Yes, I think for myself... I analyse, compare, and reach my own conclusions. You on the other hand probably believe in everything you read and hear from the corrupt media. Congrats.

	Quote:	Brianzoeu
	Says the one who can't discuss with arguments.

	Quote:	Brianzoeu
	You vomit a bunch numbers that don't challenge my statement. You just play on team of the haters . The dollar did fell as a reserve currency among central banks but it's still more than 60% of total global reserves, compared to a mere 20% of the EURO or 5% of the Sterling. Add to it that the Euro zone is unstable, (just look at Greece and Italy) thus making it less credible as a reserve currency. If you were a central bank, would you gamble or be safe?

	Quote:	Brianzoeu
	Go Britain! With Trump remaining until 2024, the Tories reorganizing to reap the benefits of being independent from united socialist federation of Europe, Bolsonaro in Brazil assuming in 2019, and Canada returning to their Tories, I foresee a decade of strong growth (but only after the next big financial crises ).

Yep, you on the other hand sound like a totally reasonable poster.

[Jim2007]

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	"I welcome the approval of the EU-Japan economic partnership agreement yesterday, which could boost UK GDP by up to £3bn in the long run. Japan is a vocal defender of free trade and this agreement will form the basis of our new, stronger trading relationship as we leave the EU."

Someone needs to point out to him that this agreement includes a clause requiring Japan to seek EU approval if they wish to enter a similar or better deal with the UK!

[Medea Fleecestealer]

European version of ESTAs will be needed from 2021.

"Britons will have to pay €7 (£6.30) every three years to travel to EU countries, as a consequence of Brexit.

The European Commission has confirmed that while UK travellers will not need a visa, they will need to apply for and buy another document from 2021.

It is called an ETIAS (European Travel Information and Authorization System) and although not launched yet, is expected to come into force in 2021.

The travel requirement is not just for the UK but for many non-EU countries."

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-46564884

[st2lemans]

	Quote:	Troublawesome
	Brianzoeu added to the ignore list.

Who cares?

It's not like you ever have anything more useful to say.

Tom

[Brianzoeu]

	Quote:
	Just out of curiosity, what makes you think the information you read is any less corrupt or more correct? Presumably you CHOOSE to believe it because it aligns more with what you believe / hope?

If you are specifically saying about climate change, yes, I went to the original sources and have spent countless hours studying them. I have even found an important contradiction within an IPCC report that weakens their own theory that CO2 causes global warming.

	Quote:	Jim2007
	And you were going so well until you added ‘from the corrupt media’. That translates to ‘I don’t fact check or read original sources I pick the media that validates my biases and go with that’. A big Kelly-Anne fan, no doubt!

I had to google who is Kelly-Anne, had not clue who it was.

	Quote:	marton
	But my post was about 2018

And the GDP grew by how much during this period?

[Brianzoeu]

Only in Italian, sorry:

"The European Union is in pieces and will not be saved anymore"



http://www.mattinonline.ch/it/articl...n-si-salver-pi

	Quote:	Brianzoeu
	If you are specifically saying about climate change, yes, I went to the original sources and have spent countless hours studying them. I have even found an important contradiction within an IPCC report that weakens their own theory that CO2 causes global warming.

Which suggests somehow you have relevant qualifications, right? Or we could all say that but we don't have the first clue what we're looking at and THINK we've found a detail.

Care to share the contradiction you found?

[John William]

Quote:
European version of ESTAs will be needed from 2021.

"Britons will have to pay €7 (£6.30) every three years to travel to EU countries, as a consequence of Brexit.

The European Commission has confirmed that while UK travellers will not need a visa, they will need to apply for and buy another document from 2021.

It is called an ETIAS (European Travel Information and Authorization System) and although not launched yet, is expected to come into force in 2021.

The travel requirement is not just for the UK but for many non-EU countries."

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-46564884
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And that comes on top of British drivers having to apply ( in person ) at the British Post Office for an application form for an International Driving Permit, the 1949 version to drive in Spain and the 1968 version for the rest of Europe with the only exception being the Principality of Liechtenstein where you need the 1926 version.
Of course once you've paid the fee and got the IDP, you can rest assured that it only lasts a year and you will have to do the whole thing again
for the following holiday season on the continent.

[curley]

	Quote:	Medea Fleecestealer
	European version of ESTAs will be needed from 2021. "Britons will have to pay €7 (£6.30) every three years to travel to EU countries, as a consequence of Brexit. The European Commission has confirmed that while UK travellers will not need a visa, they will need to apply for and buy another document from 2021. It is called an ETIAS (European Travel Information and Authorization System) and although not launched yet, is expected to come into force in 2021. The travel requirement is not just for the UK but for many non-EU countries." https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-46564884

That's ridiculous!

And if this is true: << the agreement includes a clause requiring Japan to seek EU approval if they wish to enter a similar or better deal with the UK>> it also tells a lot about EU.

Petty and childish. "You can be my friend but if you want to play with the neighbour's kid next door, who doesn't want to be with me, you have to ask me first".


What the hell. And we thought only the US is going Trumpian?