The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[marton]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Leaving the EU is in no way comparable to voting in a moron as President. The only thing that is comparable is the non-stop howling we've had to endure from the losing sides since their respective votes who can't accept the result.

Oddly enough there is a lot of howling from the winning sides too!

[greenmount]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Leaving the EU is in no way comparable to voting in a moron as President. The only thing that is comparable is the non-stop howling we've had to endure from the losing sides since their respective votes who can't accept the result.

It is comparable if many people voted for a moron as a president because they bought too much into a certain type of propaganda. He promised a lot of things that are not going to see the light during his presidency the same way as Brexiteers promised only good stuff to come the average Joe's way when we all know it's not gonna happen. It was a dirty campaign that can compete very well with was has happened in the land of the free and the brave...

Brexit campaigners should have used pertinent and true arguments for their case. As I already said above - Remainers are not going to accept the vote result so willingly because it's based on a farce*. Had it been a natural result of people being correctly informed about the whole situation, pluses and minuses, probably people wouldn't fight so hard this vote.

*you can find the recipe in any classical propaganda textbook. It really was made by the book. I'm sorry Loz, you do have some points and good arguments, but you also have to accept there's also another side of the story.

[StirB]

	Quote:	k_and_e
	Better read the article. It's about an agreement in both a soft and a hard Brexit. How many of such agreements would the UK actually need to make the EU deal irrelevant or not too relevant?

We're all assuming the UK will be happy with and sign the agreement. I thought the point of leaving the EU was to negotiate better deals?

Anyway, good news for all us Swiss residents - we can maintain our lifestyles whilst the UK goes under, hoorah!

	Quote:	greenmount
	It is comparable if many people voted for a moron as a president because they bought too much into a certain type of propaganda. He promised a lot of things that are not going to see the light during his presidency the same way as Brexiteers promised only good stuff to come the average Joe's way when we all know it's not gonna happen. It was a dirty campaign that can compete very well with was has happened in the land of the free and the brave... Brexit campaigners should have used pertinent and true arguments for their case. As I already said above - Remainers are not going to accept the vote result so willingly because it's based on a farce*. Had it been a natural result of people being correctly informed about the whole situation, pluses and minuses, probably people wouldn't fight so hard this vote. *you can find the recipe in any classical propaganda textbook. It really was made by the book. I'm sorry Loz, you do have some points and good arguments, but you also have to accept there's also another side of the story.

No matter who often I repeat this it never seems to go in, oh well here we go again.

BOTH SIDES TOLD LIES DURING THE REFERENDUM CAMPAIGN. YOU CANNOT FOCUS JUST ON THE LIES TOLD BY ONE SIDE.

[Sandgrounder]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	No matter who often I repeat this it never seems to go in, oh well here we go again. BOTH SIDES TOLD LIES DURING THE REFERENDUM CAMPAIGN. YOU CANNOT FOCUS JUST ON THE LIES TOLD BY ONE SIDE.

To be fair, EVERYBODY has said this on the thread at least once. Welcome to the club.

[StirB]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	No matter who often I repeat this it never seems to go in, oh well here we go again. BOTH SIDES TOLD LIES DURING THE REFERENDUM CAMPAIGN. YOU CANNOT FOCUS JUST ON THE LIES TOLD BY ONE SIDE.

Both Laura Bush and Josef Stalin killed people. You cannot focus on the killings by just one of them.

[Odile]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	No matter who often I repeat this it never seems to go in, oh well here we go again. BOTH SIDES TOLD LIES DURING THE REFERENDUM CAMPAIGN. YOU CANNOT FOCUS JUST ON THE LIES TOLD BY ONE SIDE.

Actually no, they did not. Some forecasts have turned out not to be as predicted - very different to blatant lies, like BoJo and co with his red bus, etc.
Totally different kettle of fish ...Some of the economic predictions have not happened because the economy has been artificially bolstered since ...

[Urs Max]

	Quote:	curley
	That's ridiculous! And if this is true: << the agreement includes a clause requiring Japan to seek EU approval if they wish to enter a similar or better deal with the UK>> it also tells a lot about EU. Petty and childish. "You can be my friend but if you want to play with the neighbour's kid next door, who doesn't want to be with me, you have to ask me first". What the hell. And we thought only the US is going Trumpian?

You don't appear to be thinking this through. Consider the following scenario:

The UK enters into a trade agreement with the USA, of course that allows the US to export GMO's to the UK. The UK OTOH enters into a trade agreement with Japan that allows the UK the export of all agricultural goods to Japan.

Well, that opens continental European agricultural markets for US GMO's. I don't think too many continental Europeans welcome such an outlook.

That's why the respective partners reserve a veto right in all areas covered by agreements that open their own borders. A very sound policy I should say.

[Odile]

	Quote:	StirB
	We're all assuming the UK will be happy with and sign the agreement. I thought the point of leaving the EU was to negotiate better deals? Anyway, good news for all us Swiss residents - we can maintain our lifestyles whilst the UK goes under, hoorah!

hmmmmm perhaps those of fat Swiss salaries and pensions will ...

[st2lemans]

	Quote:	greenmount
	He promised a lot of things that are not going to see the light during his presidency.

So, exactly the same as every US president ever.

Tom

[st2lemans]

	Quote:	StirB
	Both Laura Bush and Josef Stalin killed people.

Laura Bush?

Tom

[StirB]

	Quote:	st2lemans
	Laura Bush? Tom

Indeed Tom. I would have thought as a keen follower of US Politics and History you would have heard of this. Anyway, the point is should we really treat 1 vs 20,000,000 the same?

[greenmount]

	Quote:	st2lemans
	So, exactly the same as every US president ever. Tom

OK, let's only compare the current one with the one that preceded him....

[None The Wiser]

I was against Cameron's vanity ballot from the outset but accept the result for what it is. However, the farrago that has ensued over the intervening period is just amazing. I have strong familial ties to the UK and still imagine that one day we will go back, but to what? The status quo in Britain has been broken for so long, this whole fiasco simply magnifies it.

[Odile]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	No matter who often I repeat this it never seems to go in, oh well here we go again. BOTH SIDES TOLD LIES DURING THE REFERENDUM CAMPAIGN. YOU CANNOT FOCUS JUST ON THE LIES TOLD BY ONE SIDE.

Leavers say that all the time - and yet, when pushed and asked for examples, they just never come up with any.

As for economic forecasts- a) we haven't left yet and b) and more importantly, the BoE halved interest rates and spent £250,000,000,000 to prop up the economy as a result of the Leave vote.

[curley]

	Quote:	Sandgrounder
	https://tenor.com/view/everything-is...ne-gif-3575736

I don't know what you mean by this as answer to my "normal procedure in taking political decisions in Switzerland". ?
Don't know if everything is going to be just fine .... but to be honest, I don't see any reason why anybody in Switzerland would have the urge to "punish" GB for exiting EU by giving them a worse deal.

	Quote:	StirB
	We're all assuming the UK will be happy with and sign the agreement. I thought the point of leaving the EU was to negotiate better deals? Anyway, good news for all us Swiss residents - we can maintain our lifestyles whilst the UK goes under, hoorah!

If GB wants a better deal and fresh negotiations CH probably won't mind either as CH too likes better deals

Not sure about the second part of your post: Does that agreement include GB residence permits here? You'll be a non-EU-citizen and Switzerland still trapped in the Schengen-contract. So - in order not to be sent to a sinking GB - you might have to demand asylum here? LOL.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	Odile
	As for economic forecasts- a) we haven't left yet and b) and more importantly, the BoE halved interest rates and spent £250,000,000,000 to prop up the economy as a result of the Leave vote.

History shows they did not need to do so & interest rates have since tippled. They believed their own project fear

[greenmount]

	Quote:	Odile
	Leavers say that all the time - and yet, when pushed and asked for examples, they just never come up with any. As for economic forecasts- a) we haven't left yet and b) and more importantly, the BoE halved interest rates and spent £250,000,000,000 to prop up the economy as a result of the Leave vote.

You know how these things work? You can bring hard evidence they're wrong but they'd still deny they're wrong. "Fake news!" Trump like. It's absurd, but oh my am I happy to grab the popcorn as someone else has posted here. I never thought I can have these petty thoughts but EF has totally changed that for me.

[Urs Max]

	Quote:	st2lemans
	So, exactly the same as every US president ever. Tom

Exactly the same as any politician and exactly the same as every human being.

But then again hardly anything is black or white, usually there are shades of grey in between whereof some are undoubtedly darker than others. Same applies to liars, even considering personal bias and applying leniency to counter that.

[StirB]

	Quote:	curley
	Not sure about the second part of your post: Does that agreement include GB residence permits here? You'll be a non-EU-citizen and Switzerland still trapped in the Schengen-contract. So - in order not to be sent to a sinking GB - you might have to demand asylum here? LOL.

I have an Irish passport.