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View Poll Results: What would you personally prefer to happen?
I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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We're all assuming the UK will be happy with and sign the agreement. I thought the point of leaving the EU was to negotiate better deals?

Anyway, good news for all us Swiss residents - we can maintain our lifestyles whilst the UK goes under, hoorah!
As so often, the problem with that lies in the detail.

Switzerland must implement changes in EU law (acquis communautaire) in the areas covered by the Bilaterale, CH has no choice. The agreement with the UK will need to preempt such changes, and make them applicable before they have actually happened.

Which in turn means the UK must at least to some extent accept EU law.

But as you said, the UK authorities will be all too happy to accept that. Not sure how that even remotely fits Los' kind of sovereignty, though.


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On second thought your 2nd line appears premature, there's no mention of residence regulations even though that should be CH's decision alone:
"the text of the agreement approved by the Federal Council will serve as a basis for economic and trade relations between Switzerland and the UK"

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Old 14.12.2018, 18:23
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Big news for us!

Switzerland has just announced that in the event of a no deal Brexit that they'll move to carry on exactly as before with a deal that could be signed theoretically they day after the UK leaves.

So much for the lip wobblers on here!

Federal Council lays the foundation for future economic and trade relations with the United Kingdom
So we are back to pre-bilateral days in terms of UK trade and still in the dark in terms of what is important to many here their residence status...

After BREXIT in stead of simply exporting goods into the EU for onward shipping to the UK, we will now have to export out of the EU and into the UK and go through the delays on the Dover route.. so back to the unpredictable delivery lines of the past. The only consolation is that at least our competitors in the EU will be in the same situation as us at least.

You know why this is referred to by the Swiss as a ‘mind the gap’ solution? It assumes that the UK can get its act together at the WTO, before the transition period allowed under WTO terms (a24 I think) expires.
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Old 14.12.2018, 18:50
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Leavers say that all the time - and yet, when pushed and asked for examples, they just never come up with any.

As for economic forecasts- b) and more importantly, the BoE halved interest rates and spent £250,000,000,000 to prop up the economy as a result of the Leave vote.
That’s another Remainer lie that has already been debunked on here.

As for your examples, they’ve already been covered many times in here and I can’t be bothered to go through them again.
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Old 14.12.2018, 19:39
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So, in short, none- as per usual with leavers ...

As a friend says: 'if you believe either or both sides lied, you must agree that the vote was in doubt and needs to be run again" - simple's.

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Old 14.12.2018, 20:07
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No matter who often I repeat this it never seems to go in, oh well here we go again.

BOTH SIDES TOLD LIES DURING THE REFERENDUM CAMPAIGN. YOU CANNOT FOCUS JUST ON THE LIES TOLD BY ONE SIDE.
Possibly, but one side took everything to a whole new level...
"The bigger the lie, the more they believe it."
I think only time will tell if Brexit was indeed a good move. But keep in mind that UK doesn't have USA's or Russia's power. Or China's...
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BoJo has not responded to a request by a team of legal prosecutors to comment on his 'Massive lies on a red bus' so- interesting times ahead.

'On November 16th 2018 Boris Johnson MP was given 28 days to reply to a team of prosecutors who have built a private criminal case against him. As of end of day 14th of December this limit has now expired. The case will now be taken to Westminster Magistrates’ Court prior to January 28th 2019.

The crowdfunded private prosecution team accuse Mr Johnson of repeatedly lying to the public concerning how much money the UK ‘spends’ on EU membership each month and year. They are prosecuting him for the alleged offence of misconduct in public office by way of abuse of public trust. This is an alleged criminal offence contrary to the common law with a maximum sentence of life imprisonment.'
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This is an alleged criminal offence contrary to the common law with a maximum sentence of life imprisonment.'
Criminal law & common law have nothing in common, I do not believe there is a max sentence of life imprisonment under common law.

I call BS, perhaps you will take a bet on this
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BoJo has not responded to a request by a team of legal prosecutors to comment on his 'Massive lies on a red bus' so- interesting times ahead.

'On November 16th 2018 Boris Johnson MP was given 28 days to reply to a team of prosecutors who have built a private criminal case against him. As of end of day 14th of December this limit has now expired. The case will now be taken to Westminster Magistrates’ Court prior to January 28th 2019.

The crowdfunded private prosecution team accuse Mr Johnson of repeatedly lying to the public concerning how much money the UK ‘spends’ on EU membership each month and year. They are prosecuting him for the alleged offence of misconduct in public office by way of abuse of public trust. This is an alleged criminal offence contrary to the common law with a maximum sentence of life imprisonment.'
He’s not responded because it’s a joke that’ll get laughed out of court. Anyone who contributed money to this needs their head examining.
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Some very big wigs have contributed- as they strongly believe that campaigning politicians should have better standards than second-hand car salesmen- and should not blatantly lie. The prosecution is actually on the figures he made up re the money paid by the UK to the EU. It's not about BoJo specifically, but about the basic principle re campaigning honestly.

Some very big wigs with lots of money recently.
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Old 14.12.2018, 21:17
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For a soft Brexit the continuation proceeds under the Mind the Gap strategy and the agreements are still in place. So far so good.

I guess the subtlety was lost on some but...

Sounds like there's an escape route planned into the no deal scenario. A lot of "ifs", "could be's" and "possibles".

I'm sure it'll all be fine, though...
Well that's the essence of the assurance given by the British Ambassador this week. Pretty much everything is agreed and they're just waiting for a suitable date to release the information. Only then will we all be able to read the fine print, but it's good to hear that the Swiss government have been proactive, it's just the UK government who are dithering.

Right now, my feeling is that no deal is firmly off the table, so it's a choice of deal or remain. If that is the case, I'll thoroughly enjoy watching certain MPs going into a drama queen tailspin.
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Old 14.12.2018, 22:59
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Criminal law & common law have nothing in common, I do not believe there is a max sentence of life imprisonment under common law.

I call BS, perhaps you will take a bet on this
I'll take that bet, at least on your statement that "criminal law & common law have nothing in common", because you're flat-out wrong. Common law is the basis of the legal system in the UK. This includes "criminal law", as well as civil law, which is probably what you were thinking of.

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The UK is the biggest European consumer of luxury German cars, Ferraris, and Champagne.
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I feel sorry for May, look who she needs to negotiate with: a well known alcoholic!

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I feel sorry for May, look who she needs to negotiate with: a well known alcoholic!
Which explains things look so nebulous to him.
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hmmmmm perhaps those of fat Swiss salaries and pensions will ...
And there is nothing wrong with that. Actually, I'd leave the "fat" out of that post. Anyone in the system here will continue as usual , because they can, no matter what is happening in the UK. That's the definition of sovereignty and autonomy. The UK might get there, too.
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And there is nothing wrong with that. Actually, I'd leave the "fat" out of that post. Anyone in the system here will continue as usual , because they can, no matter what is happening in the UK. That's the definition of sovereignty and autonomy. The UK might get there, too.

Such a fatuous statement. Open your eyes a little and see just how autonomous this country is from the EU. Let me give you a clue, it isn't. And it's expensive.
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I feel sorry for May, look who she needs to negotiate with: a well known alcoholic!
That is normal for politicians; I assume you were never in the House of Commons bar?
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I feel sorry for May, look who she needs to negotiate with: a well known alcoholic!
She's negotiating with EU not with only one person.
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Some very big wigs have contributed- as they strongly believe that campaigning politicians should have better standards than second-hand car salesmen- and should not blatantly lie. The prosecution is actually on the figures he made up re the money paid by the UK to the EU. It's not about BoJo specifically, but about the basic principle re campaigning honestly.

Some very big wigs with lots of money recently.
I would place both our mortgages on the very slim chance that this even makes it to court that it will lose. Likely it'll either not be heard or thrown out.
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I feel sorry for May, look who she needs to negotiate with: a well known alcoholic!

It gets better. The man is a liability.

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