The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[Urs Max]

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	Ya go for it! Next thing we’ll hear is how the WTO is punishing the UK because it will not give them what they want. How Argentina and Russia are bullies, with Argentina demanding the Falklands and heaven knows what Russia will except.

They might accept Gibraltar.

	Quote:	Jim2007
	And as for back, that means having to negotiate your membership terms including accepting the Euro, no special treatment and an Irish referendum on the issue. I don’t see that on the cards without a United Ireland.

Funny, I don't remember Ireland having a referendum when Croatia joined in the EU in 2013. Is Jim making stuff up again?

[amogles]

	Quote:	Urs Max
	They might accept Gibraltar.

Gibraltar is a gift that keeps on giving.

It gives Spain something to get indignant about and bring up when negotiatioans aren't going their way.

But if Britain ever did call Spain's bluff and give it back, that wouldn't at all be good for Spain. Many of the tax haven businesses that also employ many Spanish employees would pull out leaving behind a rock with some monkeys and a rather third class airport, neither of which are particularly valuable.

On the other hand it would open Spain to Moroccan claims on Ceuta and Melilla.

In other words, Spain knows the best time to loudly claim Gibraltar is a time that the Brits are least likely to agree.

Gibraltar is also good for selling British tabloids, as it also gives the Brits lots of stuff to grandstand about and do some serious flag waving. Especially the Brits that have never been there and aren't affecetd personally.

In other words, both sides do quite well out of the status quo.

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Funny, I don't remember Ireland having a referendum when Croatia joined in the EU in 2013. Is Jim making stuff up again?

Probably because Croatia doesn't share a border with Ireland. They do share a border with Slovenia, who in fact did have to vote on the issue and allowed them accession in 2010 after blocking it for years over a territorial dispute (Piran Bay).

Hope that helps.

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	Probably because Croatia doesn't share a border with Ireland. They do share a border with Slovenia, who in fact did have to vote on the issue and allowed them accession in 2010 after blocking it for years over a territorial dispute (Piran Bay). Hope that helps.

Not really.

[amogles]

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	Probably because Croatia doesn't share a border with Ireland. They do share a border with Slovenia, who in fact did have to vote on the issue and allowed them accession in 2010 after blocking it for years over a territorial dispute (Piran Bay). Hope that helps.

the Irish may well have a claim to Piran.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ireland/com...o_crossed_the/

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Not really.

You are possibly beyond help then.

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	You are possibly beyond help then.

Ireland has not had a referendum to approve the accession of another EU member state which was what was implied. Notwithstanding this point, the example you gave is redundant in the case of the UK and Ireland anyhow. Slovenia blocked Croatian accession due to a border dispute. As part of the Good Friday Agreement (you know, the one that means everyone is losing their shit over a hard border at the moment) specifically resulted in the Republic of Ireland having to drop their claim to Northern Ireland. It would be massively hypocritical of both the EU and Ireland if they were to support an Irish claim having made such a song and dance about respecting the Good Friday Agreement as they are doing at the moment.

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Ireland has not had a referendum to approve the accession of another EU member state which was what was implied. Notwithstanding this point, the example you gave is redundant in the case of the UK and Ireland anyhow. Slovenia blocked Croatian accession due to a border dispute. As part of the Good Friday Agreement (you know, the one that means everyone is losing their shit over a hard border at the moment) specifically resulted in the Republic of Ireland having to drop their claim to Northern Ireland. It would be massively hypocritical of both the EU and Ireland if they were to support an Irish claim having made such a song and dance about respecting the Good Friday Agreement as they are doing at the moment.

Why? If the UK has a hard Brexit, the Good Friday Agreement would be contravened (as the border could not remain open if the UK has an unnegotiated withdrawal from the EU), so why should Ireland not have a say on the UK attempting to rejoin the EU later?

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	Why? If the UK has a hard Brexit, the Good Friday Agreement would be contravened (as the border could not remain open if the UK has an unnegotiated withdrawal from the EU), so why should Ireland not have a say on the UK attempting to rejoin the EU later?

There's not going to be a hard border, whatever the outcome of the Brexit negotiations, both sides have said they won't implement a hard border.

[Urs Max]

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	Probably because Croatia doesn't share a border with Ireland. They do share a border with Slovenia, who in fact did have to vote on the issue and allowed them accession in 2010 after blocking it for years over a territorial dispute (Piran Bay). Hope that helps.

Why would a common border be relevant?

All current EU members are party to the treaties, adding new members requires amending (broadening) them. Any change that hasn't been provided for by the contract itself (article 50 for example) must be agreed to by every current contract party, which automatically gives veto power to each current member.

[John William]

No Taxation without Representation !!

British Expats are starting to organise a post Brexit Boston Tea Party in honour of a
Hard Brexit on the 4th July.
Yes with a hard brexit looking more likely by the day, the first post Brexit Boston Tea
Party is being organised for the 4th July 2019, at an EU port near you.

Rationale for the Boston Tea Party

On the 30th March 2019, all British citizens living in their host EU Country
will lose the right to vote in local municipal and council elections and will
also be ineligible to vote for an MEP in the European Parliament, as they
will inevitably become Non EU citizens. They will still be liable to tax in
their host EU countries but like the American colonists, they will lose
the right to vote on all matters in their new host country, including those
matters affecting their income tax.

At the same time in the event of a Hard Brexit, trade between the EU and the UK
will default to WTO rules which means tariffs of upto 10 per cent being slapped
of all imports from the UK, in terms of goods and services and of course you favourite
Tea bags will also be liable for the 10 per cent extra in duty as a result of these tariffs.

Then to cap it all, there will be the inevitable delays for British cargo ships in ports and
harbours, thanks to new customs regulations ( in the event of a hard Brexit ) coming
into force.

Therefore the plan is for British Expats to gather at various EU ports where the
delays and hold ups are occuring and disguised as Red Indians; board the
aforementioned British cargo ships that are carrying our Tea and the dump the
crates of Tea Bags in the harbour.

As you will agree this will be a very effective protest where officials will quickly
get the point, of what a mess a Hard Brexit has meant for British Expats and
Immigrants living in the EU.


As ever our slogan is - No Taxation without Representation !!

Obviously further details will follow in the coming months as events unfold in
Westminster.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	John William
	No Taxation without Representation !! British Expats are starting to organise a post Brexit Boston Tea Party in honour of a Hard Brexit on the 4th July. Yes with a hard brexit looking more likely by the day, the first post Brexit Boston Tea Party is being organised for the 4th July 2019 at an EU port near you. Rationale for the Boston Tea Party On the 30th March 2019, all British citizens living in their host EU Country will lose the right to vote in local municipal and council elections and will also be ineligible to vote for an MEP in the European Parliament, as they will inevitably become Non EU citizens. They will still be liable to tax in their host EU countries but like the American colonists, they will lose the right to vote on all matters in their new host country, including those matters affecting their income tax. At the same time in the event of a Hard Brexit, trade between the EU and the UK will default to WTO rules which means tariffs of upto 10 per cent being slapped of all imports from the UK, in terms of goods and services and of course you favourite Tea bags will also be liable to the 10 per cent extra in duty as a result of these tariffs. Then to cap it all, there will be the inevitable delays for British cargo ships in ports and harbours, thanks to new customs regulations ( in the event of a hard Brexit ) coming into force. Therefore the plan is for British Expats to gather at various EU ports where the delays and hold ups are occuring and disguised as Red Indians; board the aforementioned British cargo ships that are carrying our Tea and the dump the crates of Tea Bags in the harbour. As you will agree this will be a very effective protest where officials will quickly get the point, of what a mess a Hard Brexit has meant for British Expats and Immigrants living in the EU. As ever our slogan is - No Taxation without Representation !! Obviously further details will follow in the coming months as events unfold in Westminster.

Silly really as British goods are cheaper in CHF/Euros/USD even with the 10% added than the day before the vote.

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	Urs Max
	Why would a common border be relevant? All current EU members are party to the treaties, adding new members requires amending (broadening) them. Any change that hasn't been provided for by the contract itself (article 50 for example) must be agreed to by every current contract party, which automatically gives veto power to each current member.

As usual Loz1983 does not have a clue what he is talking about. It is not up to the EU to decide if Ireland holds a referendum on the admission of a new member, it is entirely up to Ireland to decide that. And Like I said, expect the price to be a United Ireland.

[Brianzoeu]

The best part starts at 1m23s and then continues with Farage:

How does this work?

[k_and_e]

	Quote:	Jim2007
	As usual Loz1983 does not have a clue what he is talking about. It is not up to the EU to decide if Ireland holds a referendum on the admission of a new member, it is entirely up to Ireland to decide that. And Like I said, expect the price to be a United Ireland.

But a United Ireöand shall be brought about only by peaceful means with the consent of a majority of the people, democratically expressed, in both jurisdictions in the island.

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	k_and_e
	But a United Ireöand shall be brought about only by peaceful means with the consent of a majority of the people, democratically expressed, in both jurisdictions in the island.

Well the UK is going to have to be very persuasive then....

[Jim2007]

The new BREXIT bus, ready to roll:

[marton]

	Quote:	Brianzoeu
	The best part starts at 1m23s and then continues with Farage:

If you want people to watch videos you post then you will have to provide better "teasers".

A video of some unnamed Italian politician attacking the EU sounds as fascinating as watching paint dry?

[szhjcn]

Well some good news for Brits living here:

https://www.thelocal.ch/20181217/swi...eement-with-uk

And you will still be able to fly here and back to UK:
https://www.thelocal.ch/20181217/swi...-aviation-deal