The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[curley]

	Quote:	szhjcn
	Well some good news for Brits living here: https://www.thelocal.ch/20181217/swi...eement-with-uk ......]

Sloppy job by the theLocal. <<The text of the new agreement remains under wraps for now because the UK is officially barred from negotiating with third countries until it leaves the EU.>>
More likely it's under wraps because it has not passed all Swiss approving authorities yet << If the relevant parliamentary committees, which will be consulted early next year, approve the agreement, it could be signed and be applied from the date on which the UK leaves the EU.>> admin.ch, last sentence.

Should it not happen, I suspect those informed by theLocal will shout "Switzerland has lied to us".

	Quote:	curley
	Sloppy job by the theLocal. <<The text of the new agreement remains under wraps for now because the UK is officially barred from negotiating with third countries until it leaves the EU.>> More likely it's under wraps because it has not passed all Swiss approving authorities yet << If the relevant parliamentary committees, which will be consulted early next year, approve the agreement, it could be signed and be applied from the date on which the UK leaves the EU.>> admin.ch, last sentence. Should it not happen, I suspect those informed by theLocal will shout "Switzerland has lied to us".

Anyone who uses theLocal as their news source deserves everything they get.

[greenmount]

	Quote:	marton
	If you want people to watch videos you post then you will have to provide better "teasers". A video of some unnamed Italian politician attacking the EU sounds as fascinating as watching paint dry?

Shhh, "bread and circuses" principle at work as usual..... There's not enough bread but plenty of circus! Typical...;-)

[marton]

	Quote:	szhjcn
	Well some good news for Brits living here: https://www.thelocal.ch/20181217/swi...eement-with-uk And you will still be able to fly here and back to UK: https://www.thelocal.ch/20181217/swi...-aviation-deal

The UK/Switzerland flights will need to overfly the EU and so need to obtain prior overfly permits from the EU. The Local does not mention this aspect or if prices of these permits will change?

[curley]

	Quote:	marton
	The UK/Switzerland flights will need to overfly the EU and so need to obtain prior overfly permits from the EU. The Local does not mention this aspect or if prices of these permits will change?

Well, not for Swiss as the Swiss need to fly accross EU any bloody way they want to get in and out of their home.
So Swiss might become competitive?

[marton]

	Quote:	curley
	Well, not for Swiss as the Swiss need to fly accross EU any bloody way they want to get in and out of their home. So Swiss might become competitive?

Swiss is not exempt from requesting overfly permits?

[curley]

	Quote:	marton
	Swiss is not exempt from requesting overfly permits?

That's already settled. I'm sure they're paying.

Remember it's GB leaving EU - Switzerland never joined.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	curley
	Sloppy job by the theLocal.

The article is actually a fair representation of the information alluded to by the British Ambassador last week. Apparently, Switzerland has been very proactive in having plans 'ready to go' as soon as the deal between the EU and UK is resolved. As a result of speaking to the Ambassador, and hearing her answer the questions of others, I feel a lot more secure living here than in any of the EU countries for the moment. Unfortunately, the drama in Westminster continues to trundle on, and pantomime season is upon us, so I don't expect any let up just yet.

[marton]

	Quote:	curley
	That's already settled. I'm sure they're paying. Remember it's GB leaving EU - Switzerland never joined.

More detail here.

One kicker, the UK will need to have a safety authorisation issued by the European Aviation Safety Agency (EASA) in accordance with Regulation (EU) No 452/2014.
Presumably that possibly means some involvement by the European Court of Justice to settle any disagreements!

[st2lemans]

Tom

[marton]

May to step up no-deal plans at Cabinet meeting with £2bn extra funding

Source

£2Bn!! Bojo's bus is looking really sick

[bowlie]

	Quote:	marton
	The UK/Switzerland flights will need to overfly the EU and so need to obtain prior overfly permits from the EU. The Local does not mention this aspect or if prices of these permits will change?

Overflight rights (called 1st freedom rights in industry jargon) are not governed by an EU regulation or directive. They are goverened by the International Air Services Transit Agreement made at Chicago 7 December 1944. This agreement gives reciprocal 1st and 2nd (stop for refueling) rights to all signatories. All EU/EEA Member States including UK and Switzerland are signatories.

Any country can denounce the agreement, but not for individual countries. You are either in or out of the agreement, you cannot be in the agreement, except for the UK for example. The EU, which has only observerstatus at ICAO cannot denounce the agreement.

And don’t forget British Airways in not British. It is Spanish.

If France, for example, denounced the agreement they would lose their overflight rights over practically every other country, causing them endless headaches.

	Quote:	bowlie
	Overflight rights (called 1st freedom rights in industry jargon) are not governed by an EU regulation or directive. They are goverened by the International Air Services Transit Agreement made at Chicago 7 December 1944. This agreement gives reciprocal 1st and 2nd (stop for refueling) rights to all signatories. All EU/EEA Member States including UK and Switzerland are signatories. Any country can denounce the agreement, but not for individual countries. You are either in or out of the agreement, you cannot be in the agreement, except for the UK for example. The EU, which has only observerstatus at ICAO cannot denounce the agreement. And don’t forget British Airways in not British. It is Spanish. If France, for example, denounced the agreement they would lose their overflight rights over practically every other country, causing them endless headaches.

Please don't let facts get in the way of a good bit of scaremongering. We've been told for months now that we won't be able to fly home and the the UK is going to run out of food and medicines.

[Urs Max]

	Quote:
	But a United Ireöand shall be brought about only by peaceful means with the consent of a majority of the people, democratically expressed, in both jurisdictions in the island.

Plus the UK's, probably HRM's. Somehow I doubt the people would be allowed to express their opinion in yet another poll that may go wrong.

[amogles]

	Quote:	Urs Max
	Plus the UK's, probably HRM's. Somehow I doubt the people would be allowed to express their opinion in yet another poll that may go wrong.

When it comes to EU maters, Ireland has a bit of a tradition of repeating votes until they get the result the EU wants.

	Quote:	amogles
	When it comes to EU maters, Ireland has a bit of a tradition of repeating votes until they get the result the EU wants.

Such as?

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Please don't let facts get in the way of a good bit of scaremongering. We've been told for months now that we won't be able to fly home and the the UK is going to run out of food and medicines.

That makes the Health Secretary, Matt Hancock, guilty of scaremongering...
https://www.newstatesman.com/spotlig...rug-stockpiles

[marton]

	Quote:	bowlie
	Overflight rights (called 1st freedom rights in industry jargon) are not governed by an EU regulation or directive. They are goverened by the International Air Services Transit Agreement made at Chicago 7 December 1944. This agreement gives reciprocal 1st and 2nd (stop for refueling) rights to all signatories. All EU/EEA Member States including UK and Switzerland are signatories. Any country can denounce the agreement, but not for individual countries. You are either in or out of the agreement, you cannot be in the agreement, except for the UK for example. The EU, which has only observerstatus at ICAO cannot denounce the agreement. And don’t forget British Airways in not British. It is Spanish. If France, for example, denounced the agreement they would lose their overflight rights over practically every other country, causing them endless headaches.

But
Airlines have to apply for overfly permits and the countries are able to set the prices for these.

Under the Chicago Convention on International Civil Aviation all contracting states permit overflight by other states, but for most national aviation authorities, prior approval is required in the form of an overflight permit.

The charges normally payable would be the Route Navigation Facility Charges or RNFC for overflights

The procedure for issuance of these permits also varies from country to country.

As I already posted for overflying the EU and/or landing in Switzerland the UK will need to have a safety authorisation issued by the European Aviation Safety Agency (EASA) in accordance with Regulation (EU) No 452/2014.

In the case of flights between Switzerland and non EU countries I already posted the link. Applications for permits must be submitted not later than thirty days before the initial flight.

[curley]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	That makes the Health Secretary, Matt Hancock, guilty of scaremongering... https://www.newstatesman.com/spotlig...rug-stockpiles

From your link:

<<To avoid the expected congestion, the government plans to prioritise the movement of medicine and medical devices through alternative routes>>

One never knows what is British humour and what is pure coincidence.

	Quote:	curley
	From your link: <<To avoid the expected congestion, the government plans to prioritise the movement of medicine and medical devices through alternative routes>> One never knows what is British humour and what is pure coincidence.

Darwinian approach to saving the NHS maybe? Sick and elderly all die off waiting for their lorry loads of meds to get through the ports.

NHS and pensions reap the savings.

Ruthless that Theresa May, I tells ya...