The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

	Quote:	curley
	<<To avoid the expected congestion, the government plans to prioritise the movement of medicine and medical devices through alternative routes>>

Someone should tell him that the cupboard doesn't really lead to Narnia.

[Blueangel]

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	Darwinian approach to saving the NHS maybe? Sick and elderly all die off waiting for their lorry loads of meds to get through the ports.

And don't even start on the radio-isotopes!

[bowlie]

	Quote:	marton
	But Airlines have to apply for overfly permits and the countries are able to set the prices for these. Under the Chicago Convention on International Civil Aviation all contracting states permit overflight by other states, but for most national aviation authorities, prior approval is required in the form of an overflight permit. The charges normally payable would be the Route Navigation Facility Charges or RNFC for overflights The procedure for issuance of these permits also varies from country to country. As I already posted for overflying the EU and/or landing in Switzerland the UK will need to have a safety authorisation issued by the European Aviation Safety Agency (EASA) in accordance with Regulation (EU) No 452/2014. In the case of flights between Switzerland and non EU countries I already posted the link. Applications for permits must be submitted not later than thirty days before the initial flight.

Be careful, aviation is complex. Chicago indeed says that, but the overfly permits you refer to are implicitly granted recipically by the IASTA signed the same day. Route navigation charges are something different and by convention must be related to the cost of providing the service.

Airlines file their biannuel schedules with national air control organisations and eurocontrol through the IATA scheduling processes.

Easyjet is slowly re-registering their fleet to the Austrian registry, BA is Spanish, Virgin is French/Dutch/US.

The problem you describe doesn’t actually exist. Where there will be problems is with flights between the EU and the UK where neither EU nor UK airlines will have revenue traffic rights (3rd and 4th freedom) without an agreement. But Switzerland isn’t in this category.

Well, well, well. Who'd have put money on May outlasting Mourinho? Not I, for sure!

[greenmount]

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	Well, well, well. Who'd have put money on May outlasting Mourinho? Not I, for sure!

It should have been Cameron the one to negotiate the Brexit (yeah I know technically not possible)...for unknown reasons I feel sorry for Theresa May.

	Quote:	greenmount
	It should have been Cameron the one to negotiate the Brexit...for unknown reasons I feel sorry for Theresa May.

If she'd been forced into the position, I'd agree. As it was, she abandoned her principles in search of power. You reap what you sew.

[Jim2007]

That WTO option...

An interesting paragraph from the LeaveHQ of all places, on what WTO means.

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	There are, in fact, 82 agreements between the EU and Australia, of which 18 are bilateral. There are 65 between the EU and China, of which 13 are bilateral. Between the EU and the United States, there are 135, of which 55 are bilateral. As regards trading agreements, not only is Global Britain incorrect in its assertions, its authors apparently don’t even read their own reports.

[marton]

	Quote:	bowlie
	Be careful, aviation is complex. Chicago indeed says that, but the overfly permits you refer to are implicitly granted recipically by the IASTA signed the same day. Route navigation charges are something different and by convention must be related to the cost of providing the service. Airlines file their biannuel schedules with national air control organisations and eurocontrol through the IATA scheduling processes. Easyjet is slowly re-registering their fleet to the Austrian registry, BA is Spanish, Virgin is French/Dutch/US. The problem you describe doesn’t actually exist. Where there will be problems is with flights between the EU and the UK where neither EU nor UK airlines will have revenue traffic rights (3rd and 4th freedom) without an agreement. But Switzerland isn’t in this category.

If it is all as automatic as you claim then why are UK and Switzerland writing a new agreement for flights between them?

[grumpygrapefruit]

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	Well, well, well. Who'd have put money on May outlasting Mourinho? Not I, for sure!

What a pity. In this season of goodwill, he was spreading so much joy as well.

[Urs Max]

	Quote:	Jim2007
	That WTO option... An interesting paragraph from the LeaveHQ of all places, on what WTO means.

Seems like a useful site regardless of their opinion on Brexit. Less because of what you quote but that the respective author appears to know at least a fair deal about the aspect at hand.

[bowlie]

	Quote:	marton
	If it is all as automatic as you claim then why are UK and Switzerland writing a new agreement for flights between them?

Isaid aviation is complex.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/poli...-a4020741.html

When you realise project fear was in fact project reality.

[Urs Max]

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	https://www.standard.co.uk/news/poli...-a4020741.html When you realise project fear was in fact project reality.

Fake news.

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	https://www.standard.co.uk/news/poli...-a4020741.html When you realise project fear was in fact project reality.

Contingency plan

Remember the Millennium Bug?

[fatmanfilms]

Just thinking back, Tories made the referendum an election promise, they got voted in. We had a referendum & voted the people voted to leave. We had another general election & the Tories won. Seems pretty clear there have been 3 opportunities to vote against BREXIT to date.

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Just thinking back, Tories made the referendum an election promise, they got voted in. We had a referendum & voted the people voted to leave. We had another general election & the Tories won. Seems pretty clear there have been 3 opportunities to vote against BREXIT to date.

In all fairness, that's not completely true. How was it possible to vote against Brexit in the last election? It wasn't unless you lived in Scotland or wanted to waste a vote on an out of the running Lib Dem party. A general election is a general election, it isn't an approval or disapproval of a single policy within said election.

[fatmanfilms]

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	In all fairness, that's not completely true. How was it possible to vote against Brexit in the last election? It wasn't unless you lived in Scotland or wanted to waste a vote on an out of the running Lib Dem party. A general election is a general election, it isn't an approval or disapproval of a single policy within said election.

If it was really the wish of the majority to stay in the EU, the Lib Dem's would have won the election. You vote for the party whose pledges match what's important for you.

Labour did not have a referendum as a pledge so why did the Tories win with a huge majority?

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	If it was really the wish of the majority to stay in the EU, the Lib Dem's would have won the election. You vote for the party whose pledges match what's important for you. Labour did not have a referendum as a pledge so why did the Tories win with a huge majority?

Why do you think it was down to who was willing to step off the cliff and propose an EU referendum? UKIP have had this as their raison d'etre since they formed but still only managed to squeak just one measly seat.

Labour had Milliband and a dogged media campaign against him which was probably the more realistic reason for their defeat.

[fatmanfilms]

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	Why do you think it was down to who was willing to step off the cliff and propose an EU referendum? UKIP have had this as their raison d'etre since they formed but still only managed to squeak just one measly seat. Labour had Milliband and a dogged media campaign against him which was probably the more realistic reason for their defeat.

Perhaps they felt UKIP too right wing & preferred a moderate, slightly right of centre Conservative party who would honour their pledge. A better bet to get what they wanted.

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	Why do you think it was down to who was willing to step off the cliff and propose an EU referendum? UKIP have had this as their raison d'etre since they formed but still only managed to squeak just one measly seat. Labour had Milliband and a dogged media campaign against him which was probably the more realistic reason for their defeat.

I think I've heard that excuse before somewhere

UKIP won a load of votes, but it's only thanks to the UK's crappy joke of a "representative" democracy that they ended up with 1 measly seat. It's also the reason why Brexit is proving to be so difficult to get over the line as the majority of the public voted for Brexit but a significant majority of MPs are Remainers.