The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	If it was really the wish of the majority to stay in the EU, the Lib Dem's would have won the election. You vote for the party whose pledges match what's important for you. Labour did not have a referendum as a pledge so why did the Tories win with a huge majority?

That's really not the case FMF. You are assuming that Brexit is the be-all and end-all issue here. You also assume that parties put forward a consistent and stable (ha!) message on Brexit. We know this isn't true just by looking at the in-fighting within in the Tories at the moment, there was no way they or anyone else could put a consistent message in a manifesto and hope to stick to it with backing from all their MPs.

It's also possible that the, let's say, traditional, labour vote was perhaps more divided between Leave and Remain, so taking a strong position might do their chances in an election a lot of harm - you'd need to consult their policy wonks to see the thinking there.

	Quote:	Loz1983
	I think I've heard that excuse before somewhere UKIP won a load of votes, but it's only thanks to the UK's crappy joke of a "representative" democracy that they ended up with 1 measly seat. It's also the reason why Brexit is proving to be so difficult to get over the line as the majority of the public voted for Brexit but a significant majority of MPs are Remainers.

Ahhh, democracy. Works fabulously when it's in your favour. Snot-and-tears shocking injustice when it's not.

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	Ahhh, democracy. Works fabulously when it's in your favour. Snot-and-tears shocking injustice when it's not.

100 days until Brexit, sweetheart.

[bowlie]

Received this today.

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	Dear Members, As a result of the high demand to attend the Bern roadshow, the Embassy is arranging another chance for those who were unable to register at the first attempt. Details are below. All are encouraged to attend one of these events to hear what has been planned and to voice any concerns they might have. The Embassy is also looking to expand the capacity at other venues. If you have been denied a place, look again at the appropriate registration site. Graham Robertson, Chairman. Invitation to the UK Nationals Roadshow Berne 2019 Due to popular demand, the British Embassy Berne is pleased to cordially invite you to attend our second Roadshow in Berne on the 26th of February 2019. We will update you on how the UK’s exit from the EU will affect your citizens’ rights as a UK national living in Switzerland, what steps you should take before 29 March 2019, and how you can stay informed about the latest developments. The event will begin with an introduction and then the floor will be open for your questions. Please register for the event via Eventbrite: https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/uk-na...ts-52909172760 We look forward to welcoming you soon, Kind regards, The British Embassy Berne

	Quote:	Loz1983
	100 days until Brexit, sweetheart.

Hope so. We're running out of popcorn.

[fatmanfilms]

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	That's really not the case FMF. You are assuming that Brexit is the be-all and end-all issue here.

Since leaving would be the most important decision made by the UK peace time you would have expected it to be the be-all and end-all issue. Even so Labour lost

[bowlie]

It really pisses me off when I see statements such as “The majority of the public voted for Brexit” That is FAKE news.

Of the 66.75 million who live in the UK 17,410,742 voted for Brexit. That is just over a quarter of the public, not a majority.

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Since leaving would be the most important decision made by the UK peace time you would have expected it to be the be-all and end-all issue. Even so Labour lost

What do you mean "even so, labour lost". They had no clear position on it and still won a shed load of seats back smashing a conservative majority! I'd say them losing had a fair amount to do with the leader they have - (rightly or wrongly) he has been absolutely slaughtered by the right wing press for years now - the fact he won seats back despite this shows that labour policies were pretty popular DESPITE his sitting-on-fence-splinters-in-arse approach to Brexit.

	Quote:	bowlie
	It really pisses me off when I see statements such as “The majority of the public voted for Brexit” That is FAKE news. Of the 66.75 million who live in the UK 17,410,742 voted for Brexit. That is just over a quarter of the public, not a majority.

Would "The majority of Gammons that bothered to drag their arses to the polling booth" be more to you liking?

[Urs Max]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	If it was really the wish of the majority to stay in the EU, the Lib Dem's would have won the election. You vote for the party whose pledges match what's important for you. Labour did not have a referendum as a pledge so why did the Tories win with a huge majority?

Leave got 50.3% of the votes. By your logic the LibDems+SNP combined should have received 49.7% of the votes or thereabouts.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	bowlie
	It really pisses me off when I see statements such as “The majority of the public voted for Brexit” That is FAKE news. Of the 66.75 million who live in the UK 17,410,742 voted for Brexit. That is just over a quarter of the public, not a majority.

No requirement to live in the UK, just have not been away more tan 15 years.
Why did so few vote to stay?

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	No requirement to live in the UK, just have not been away more tan 15 years. Why did so few vote to stay?

Is your reply connected somehow to the post you quoted?

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	Urs Max
	Leave got 50.3% of the votes. By your logic the LibDems+SNP combined should have received 49.7% of the votes or thereabouts.

I don't understand your thoughts on my logic
Had votes been counted as for the general election, Leave would have been the greatest landslide victory in history.

[fatmanfilms]

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	What do you mean "even so, labour lost". They had no clear position on it and still won a shed load of seats back smashing a conservative majority! I'd say them losing had a fair amount to do with the leader they have - (rightly or wrongly) he has been absolutely slaughtered by the right wing press for years now - the fact he won seats back despite this shows that labour policies were pretty popular DESPITE his sitting-on-fence-splinters-in-arse approach to Brexit.

Labour had no intention of a referendum, the Tories did, labour Lost. The people wanted a referendum even if they had to vote Tory to get one.

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	I don't understand your thoughts on my logic Had votes been counted as for the general election, Leave would have been the greatest landslide victory in history.

There could probably be some lively debate on whether it really IS logic or you're just crowbarring in meaningless and unrelated opinion?

[fatmanfilms]

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	There could probably be some lively debate on whether it really IS logic or you're just crowbarring in meaningless and unrelated opinion?

Tories won. Leave won, Tories won. If you're confused that's worrying

[Urs Max]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	I don't understand your thoughts on my logic Had votes been counted as for the general election, Leave would have been the greatest landslide victory in history.

That's exactly the point, you simply look at it from the other way. Bottom line is your assumption is disproven by the huge difference in the two votes.

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Labour had no intention of a referendum, the Tories did, labour Lost. The people wanted a referendum even if they had to vote Tory to get one.

I think we're talking at cross porpoises here. I meant the most recent election.

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Labour had no intention of a referendum, the Tories did, labour Lost. The people wanted a referendum even if they had to vote Tory to get one.

Labour, for all its faults, probably saw an EU referendum as the unworkable mess that it has proved itself to be and Cameron's bluff was called.

Tories have for all intents and purposes shot themselves in the foot, wholly because of the referendum, as has been demonstrated by May's disastrous snap election and frantic scurry to sell their souls to the DUP to cling to power.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	loz1983
	100 days until brexit, sweetheart.