The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

	Quote:	Blueangel
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Indeed, I should have added 100 days until hard Brexit

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	22 yards
	Is your reply connected somehow to the post you quoted?

'who live in the UK'
Clearly that was too complicated a concept for you to comprehend. My answer should now make sense to you and Sandgrounder

[bowlie]

I am objecting to these all encompassing comments that the majority of ‘the people’ voted for Brexit. Or this is what the people voted for ...

Many did not vote expressing neither point a view.

Many were ineligible to vote as the were EU nationals, except for the Maltese, Cypriots and Irish.

Over 13 million of ‘the people’ were too young to vote.

A correct statement would be ‘a majority of the votes cast by the electorate favoured Leave’

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	'who live in the UK' Clearly that was too complicated a concept for you to comprehend. My answer should now make sense to you and Sandgrounder

Clearly you get delicate when people pick apart your "logic" otherwise you wouldn't constantly mention it every other post.

Your "logic" doesn't stack up and when you are questioned on it, you just deflect by accusing people of "being confused". Sounds like the politics you subscribe to so perhaps we shouldn't be so surprised.

Brexit was built on faulty logic and skewed statistics so the justification for it post-referendum "logically" follows the same methodology.

Hey, there you go - I found you some proper "logic".

	Quote:	bowlie
	A correct statement would be ‘a SMALL majority of the votes cast by the electorate favoured Leave’

Fixed that for you.

	Quote:	bowlie
	I am objecting to these all encompassing comments that the majority of ‘the people’ voted for Brexit. Or this is what the people voted for ... Many did not vote expressing neither point a view. Many were ineligible to vote as the were EU nationals, except for the Maltese, Cypriots and Irish. Over 13 million of ‘the people’ were too young to vote. A correct statement would be ‘a majority of the votes cast by the electorate favoured Leave’

[fatmanfilms]

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	Clearly you get delicate when people pick apart your "logic" otherwise you wouldn't constantly mention it every other post.

Me delicate? who are you kidding?

Did I mention Logic in the post you quoted or what I was answering?

Oh & a majority exceeding 1 million is hardly small.......

[bowlie]

I am not disputing the results that ‘a SMALL majority of the votes cast by the electorate favoured Leave’.

I just object to statements that this SMALL majority represent the views of the majority of the people.

If you really want to hear what the people think just have a second referendum. The results will either reaffirm your perspective or dig the brits out of a deep dark pit.

[Blueangel]

She might be able to use emotional blackmail on her own MPs, blowing £2+billion of the taxpayers' money inn the process, but at what cost to business relations?

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	Five leading business groups have joined forces to urge politicians to prevent a no-deal Brexit as firms "reach the point of no return" ahead of the UK's departure from the EU on 29 March. The CBI, British Chambers of Commerce, Institute of Directors, Federation of Small Businesses and the EEF, the manufacturers' organisation, expressed dismay that MPs had descended into factional in-fighting as the risk of exiting the EU without a deal rises. A joint statement from the groups, together representing hundreds of thousands of firms employing millions of people, said the suggestion that there could be a "managed" no-deal was not credible.

https://news.sky.com/story/business-...rexit-11585209

	Quote:	Blueangel
	She might be able to use emotional blackmail on her own MPs, blowing £2+billion of the taxpayers' money inn the process, but at what cost to business relations? https://news.sky.com/story/business-...rexit-11585209

Business didn't get a vote, the people did.

	Quote:	bowlie
	I am not disputing the results that ‘a SMALL majority of the votes cast by the electorate favoured Leave’. I just object to statements that this SMALL majority represent the views of the majority of the people. If you really want to hear what the people think just have a second referendum. The results will either reaffirm your perspective or dig the brits out of a deep dark pit.

The majority matters not. You're either in the EU or not. You can't be a little bit pregnant, and you can't be a little bit in the EU. It's the result that matters, not the size of the majority.

Have your second referendum, but only after we've implemented the result of the first one.

	Quote:	Loz1983
	The majority matters not. You're either in the EU or not. You can't be a little bit pregnant, and you can't be a little bit in the EU. It's the result that matters, not the size of the majority.

I suggest Norway and Switzerland may disagree. As might the UK come April when it finds it still needs to adhere to plenty of EU regs to get stuff traded.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Business didn't get a vote, the people did.

Business's are owned by shareholders, many of whom voted so the opinions have already been counted.

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Business's

Oh, come on!

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	I suggest Norway and Switzerland may disagree. As might the UK come April when it finds it still needs to adhere to plenty of EU regs to get stuff traded.

Neither are in the EU. The question wasn't "Do you want to leave the EU and become a member of the EEA?". To confirm whether or not people wish to join the EEA or have a Swiss like agreement then they should hold another referendum with that specific question.

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Neither are in the EU

And yet are massively beholden to it. I was just dismissing your analogy to pregnancy. Switzerland and Norway prove even independent non-members are "a bit EU" whether they like it or not, as will Britain be. None of the benefits, some of the headaches. #Winning

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Business didn't get a vote, the people did.

But now the employees have seen or are feeling the effects of the vote. Perhaps they will feel differently now that they have a real idea of what the decision really means for them in practice.

[curley]

Amusing this discussion about >>SMALL majority of the votes>>. The equal amount of people who voted in voted out PLUS the difference which made the difference. And this is how voting works?

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	I suggest Norway and Switzerland may disagree. As might the UK come April when it finds it still needs to adhere to plenty of EU regs to get stuff traded.

Cough, Switzerland is not a little bit in the EU. It has contracts with the EU - as with any others. (EU is just a more of a hassle to negotiate with than the rest).

[bowlie]

From someone who should know what they are talking about. (I told you aviation is complex).

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	Background On 13 April 2018, the EC published a notice to stakeholders called “Withdrawal of the UK and EU aviation safety rules.” The EC announced that the following certificates would no longer be valid in the EU as of the withdrawal date: Ø certificates issued by EASA to holders located in the UK and Ø certificates issued by the competent authorities of the UK on the basis of the EASA Basic Regulation. Also, as of the withdrawal date, UK aircraft operators will be considered as third country operators (TCO) and a safety authorization from EASA will be required in accordance with the TCO rules of the Basic Regulation. On 24 September 2018, the UK DfT published a technical notice: Aviation safety if there’s no Brexit deal. Ø DfT announced that the functions currently performed by EASA in relation to approvals for UK designed aeronautical products and approvals for third country organisations would be conferred on the CAA. Ø For UK-registered aircraft: certificates issued by EASA or the competent authority of an EASA state would continue to be valid for a period of up to 2 years and would be treated as if issued by the CAA. Ø EU operators flying to the UK will become foreign operators and will require a safety approval (a UK Part-TCO approval) issued by the CAA before they can operate commercial services to the UK. Part-TCO authorisations issued by EASA before 29 March 2019 to airlines outside the EU would remain valid in the UK for up to 2 years after the UK leaves the EU. As EU airlines do not hold EASA issued Part-TCO authorisations they would have to obtain a UK Part-TCO approval from the CAA. Latest news The EC has now softened the tone and has announced on 13 November, in its contingency action plan, that they are prepared to ensure the validity (for a limited period of time) of certificates issued by EASA. The below extract from their press release is related to aviation safety: “Regarding aviation safety, for certain aeronautical products (ʻtype certificatesʼ) and companies (ʻorganisation approvalsʼ), the European Aviation Safety Authority (EASA) will only be able to issue certificates once the United Kingdom has become a third country. The Commission will propose measures ensuring continued validity of such certificates for a limited period of time. These measures will be subject to the condition that the United Kingdom applies similar measures. Likewise, the Commission will propose measures ensuring that parts and appliances placed on the Union market before the withdrawal date based on a certificate issued by a legal and natural person certified by the UK Civil Aviation Authority may still be used under certain circumstances. “ EASA special procedures: · Since early October UK approval holders may apply to obtain EASA approvals under the procedure currently reserved to Third Country Organizations. This fast-track certification process for certain parts, products or entities, is explained on the EASA website: https://www.easa.europa.eu/brexit It is applicable to: Production Organisation Approval Letters of agreement for production without a POA Maintenance Organisation Approvals – MOA Maintenance Training Organisation Approvals – MTOA Continuing Airworthiness Maintenance Organisation - САМО approvals Flight Simulator Training Devices – FSTD Approved Training Organisations – ATO Aero-Medical Centres - AeMC certificates · Soon, EASA will accept the submission of applications for TCO Authorizations from UK Air Operators in accordance with Part-TCO rules (EC 452/2014).

[curley]

	Quote:	bowlie
	From someone who should know what they are talking about. (I told you aviation is complex).

Okay and who is that? You seem to have forgotten to mention whom you're quoting?

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	"Do you want to leave the EU and become a member of the EEA?"

You can't join the EEA. Do you know anything at all on the topic....

And Norway for a start have already said no to your joining EFTA, I was gone to say "You, know the organisation you need to available of the EEA", but of course you don't