The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[Troublawesome]

Corbyn never ceases to amaze. Seldom you see such a failure of a politician...no..of a man. He has no principles, will not denounce terrorists, is ripe with antisemitism and now misogynism as well. And he's on track to be the next PM of the UK...by accident.

Can't make this stuff up. By the end of this Brexit fiasco GB will have lost everyone's respect if they keep this up.



Theresa May on the other hand spend 2 whole billion to prepare for no Deal. 2 billion. For an event that could knock down their economy by 100s of billions in a couple of years. Ordering 3500 troops to be on alert....in Europe in 2018 the army has to be ordered to be on standby and she dared use the words Project Fear?


Where did al the grown ups go?


The EU should now take a step back and cease all negotiations and prepare full speed for No Deal. Cut off any negotiations and let the UK implode, anything they say now will seem like interference.


Until today I kept some hope there might be a referendum, now I am convinced there can never be one.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	Troublawesome
	Theresa May on the other hand spend 2 whole billion to prepare for no Deal. 2 billion.

Err....it's £4 billion. The £2 billion announced this week was in addition to the £2 billion she had already earmarked for the job. It's only equivalent to 11.42 weeks membership of the EU, or 11 new hospitals (if the Leave campaign is to be believed), to plan for something that only approx. 50 Tory backbenchers want to happen, and most likely won't happen. To put it really crudely, she's double bagging a Jaffa.

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	Troublawesome
	The EU should now take a step back and cease all negotiations and prepare full speed for No Deal. Cut off any negotiations and let the UK implode, anything they say now will seem like interference.

The negotiations have ceased, as have the so called clarifications. The trade negotiations will not begin until the UK & Irish parliaments have ratified the agreement.

The Irish parliament will only consider the agreement if it is ratified by the UK parliament. In the mean time the Irish opposition party have agreed not to raise the matter in parliament nor to call a GE until mess is sorted.

	Quote:	Blueangel
	Err....it's £4 billion. The £2 billion announced this week was in addition to the £2 billion she had already earmarked for the job. It's only equivalent to 11.42 weeks membership of the EU, or 11 new hospitals (if the Leave campaign is to be believed), to plan for something that only approx. 50 Tory backbenchers want to happen, and most likely won't happen. To put it really crudely, she's double bagging a Jaffa.

Just wait until you work out what £39 billion could pay for.

[k_and_e]

	Quote:	Jim2007
	The negotiations have ceased, as have the so called clarifications. The trade negotiations will not begin until the UK & Irish parliaments have ratified the agreement. The Irish parliament will only consider the agreement if it is ratified by the UK parliament. In the mean time the Irish opposition party have agreed not to raise the matter in parliament nor to call a GE until mess is sorted.

And Ireland is finally ruling the world (according to Jim)

[SOBEIT]

99 days - feels good.

[greenmount]

	Quote:	marton
	Actually the EU institutions were set up based on the EEC model and used the same, or similar, names. The EEC model was the Council represents governments, the Parliament represents citizens and the Commission represents the European interest. There was also the Court of Justice of the European Communities.

But of course. What amazes me is how people fail to see that their countries and no foreign super-power make up the system about some very vocal people and parties complain about only after they take every possible economic and financial advantage. I would let them out and kick out their companies and block their profits and install a heavy fiscal barrier against imports from a few especially and then some others - lol, exactly what Russia is dreaming of. Now of course I know we don't get to know the background of a few posters here and the internet is the place where inflammatory opinions are posted for different reasons, but if you take some people here seriously.....you feel like "let the war begin, baby and see who survives...."

[Jim2007]

The art of the managed no deal:

Driver slows down to check that all passengers have their seatbelts on and airbags are working before spreading up to hit the wall....

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	greenmount
	I would let them out and kick out their companies and block their profits and install a heavy fiscal barrier against imports from a few especially and then some others - lol, exactly what Russia is dreaming of.

In a nut shell.

The pariah state isolates rival state from the community where it had safety in numbers. Classic and basic predatory behaviour with the added bonus of destabilising the region / rival, neighbouring trading block.

And to think Jim has been telling us for months that Ireland would be kept going by Elon Musk's tunnel link between Cork and Brest, supplemented by a fleet of unicorns flying non-stop out of Brussels.

Ireland calls no-deal Brexit plan a ‘damage limitation exercise’

[Spinal]

THis makes an interesting read:
https://lenews.ch/2018/12/20/swiss-g...iss-nationals/

Today, The Federal Council, Switzerland’s executive, announced it has approved a deal safeguarding the rights of Swiss and UK citizens after Brexit.

[Batcow]

Here's the UK government announcement on it. Good news.


https://www.parliament.uk/business/p...2-20/HCWS1220/

[marton]

	Quote:	Batcow
	Here's the UK government announcement on it. Good news. https://www.parliament.uk/business/p...2-20/HCWS1220/

From your link "we announced in February that we were seeking agreements with these countries, similar to the UK’s Withdrawal Agreement with the EU."

Let us pray the UK/Switzerland agreement will fare better in the UK Parliament than the UK’s Withdrawal Agreement with the EU!

[Batcow]

Good news is that this agreement is independent of whether or not there's a deal agreed with the EU. Also worth noting, it only applies to British residents who arrive before Brexit (29.03.19)

[curley]

	Quote:	marton
	From your link "we announced in February that we were seeking agreements with these countries, similar to the UK’s Withdrawal Agreement with the EU." Let us pray the UK/Switzerland agreement will fare better in the UK Parliament than the UK’s Withdrawal Agreement with the EU!

You can't even compare those two.

If GB leaves EU, this will be a contract between two idenpendant (adult ) nations who ask each other for nothing but keep to those contracts - and take care of their own shit concerning anything else.

[marton]

	Quote:	curley
	You can't even compare those two. If GB leaves EU, this will be a contract between two idenpendant (adult ) nations who ask each other for nothing but keep to those contracts - and take care of their own shit concerning anything else.

I was posting about the approval process not the content of the agreement.

Any process involving the UK Parliament cannot be described as "adult"

[greenmount]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	In a nut shell. The pariah state isolates rival state from the community where it had safety in numbers. Classic and basic predatory behaviour with the added bonus of destabilising the region / rival, neighbouring trading block.

They know very well which are the buttons they have to push to create instability and conflicts. It's a hybrid and symmetrical war they're very good at...and successful judging by the number of people who simply swallow all the info they get on various biased channels, while everyone pays attention to the other *insert your adjective of choice* character and movement across the pond.

But I guess there will come a day when absolute tribalism will triumph, it all started with MAGA and it gets more and more legitimacy. Protectionism and independence from international treaties and organisations. If people feel it's OK if they don't respect their part of a contract I suppose we all will reach that phase.

Btw, still not clear to me if there was a "follow the money and make the results public" investigation for the Brexit campaign.

[John William]

Could this be the start of Brexit chaos ? - the Day of the Drone at Gatwick airport

Speculation is mounting that whoever is flying the Drone, that's caused so many cancelled flights
at Gatwick airport, is deliberately intruding on the airport perimeter in order to cause
maximum disruption at the airport and to passenger flights to and from the UK before Christmas.

So far the Police have failed in all attempts to find the drone and the drones operator, who
disappears and then returns again whenever Gatwick Airport contemplates reopening the
airport again to flights.

Now the Police have called in the Army to provide more specialist equipment, to track down
the drone and it's operator.

BBC News - Gatwick Airport, army called in amid Drone chaos

Suffice to say this must be the first of the anticipated military deployments to assist the
civilian authorities on those matters that are beyond them, on the run up to Brexit.

[curley]

	Quote:	marton
	.... Any process involving the UK Parliament cannot be described as "adult"

I did hesitate before I sent the adult bit out, exactly for that reason, I admit.


<<Could this be the start of Brexit chaos ? - the Day of the Drone at Gatwick airport>>

LOL!

Tomorrow's headline: "Juncker is the operator of the Gatwick drone" and "the EU army would have solved the drone-problem at Gatwick within 10 minutes".

[Blueangel]

	Quote:
	Faisal Islam‏Verified account @faisalislam Faisal Islam Retweeted SMMT Full auto industry release... twenty years of covering politics, business and economics I have never seen a press release from a key industry saying that a Cabinet approved policy direction [ie No Deal Brexit] risks “destroying” it... Faisal Islam added, SMMTVerified account @SMMT Automotive industry warns of catastrophe of exiting EU without an agreement; ‘No Deal’ must be off the table https://www.smmt.co.uk/2018/12/autom...off-the-table/ … 10:48 AM - 20 Dec 2018

https://twitter.com/faisalislam/stat...25172282785792