The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[Fish Paste]

	Quote:	Troublawesome
	Hard to defend with logic and resorting to making it personal? That's ok, you are just like the rest of the Brexiters.

And from your post:

	Quote:	Troublawesome
	Having the cake and eating it too again? The french have no such obligations anymore as you are leaving the EU. They can simply open the floodgates and let you deal with it as a third country. Never thought of that before voting for Brexit did you? No problem, they will all hit you at once on April 1st and no it's not going to be an April's Fool joke but reality.

As I said, I don't know why so much vitriol from you about something which supposedly will have no effect on the EU and sink the UK.

	Quote:	Troublawesome
	Having the cake and eating it too again? The french have no such obligations anymore as you are leaving the EU. They can simply open the floodgates and let you deal with it as a third country. Never thought of that before voting for Brexit did you? No problem, they will all hit you at once on April 1st and no it's not going to be an April's Fool joke but reality.

Funny reading bollocks like this. They say that Brexit will open the floodgates for migrants in Calais and in the very next breath say that Brexit will also ruin the UK, which by definition would surely negate any pull factors for migrants.

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Funny reading bollocks like this. They say that Brexit will open the floodgates for migrants in Calais and in the very next breath say that Brexit will also ruin the UK, which by definition would surely negate any pull factors for migrants.

Except a ruined UK is probably still a better option than living in their country which is getting bombed by the UK. Living in Birmingham is still marginally better than not living. Just.

[Urs Max]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	I would not be so sure the EU will survive in its current form after a hard BREXIT.

Isn't a Scotish independence vote pending?

	Quote:	Urs Max
	Isn't a Scotish independence vote pending?

Potentially, but I wouldn't get your hopes up. Britain would have to degenerate into a Mad Max type dystopia before the majority of the Rangers lot would even consider voting for Indy.

[Fish Paste]

	Quote:
	Living in Birmingham is still marginally better than not living. Just.

Have you ever been to Brum?

The UK needs a two tier system.
Asylum seekers following the correct process are ‘allowed in’ and processed in the UK.

The anonymous ones, shipped to a holding camp, in say Syria, and processed there.

The Americans managed it with Guantanamo Bay.

	Quote:
	Except a ruined UK is probably still a better option than living in their country which is getting bombed by the UK. Living in Birmingham is still marginally better than not living. Just.

France is getting bombed by the UK?

I have been to Brum, I grew up pretty close to there so I think I'm allowed to bag it

I don't think their country is France, Loz. Despite the Yellow Windcheaters, I think most French people seem to be staying put rather than seeking asylum in the UK.

[lewton]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	I would not be so sure the EU will survive in its current form after a hard BREXIT.

And I am not sure the UK will survive a hard Brexit either.
Scotland is welcome to join the EU any moment it wants.

[marton]

	Quote:	Fish Paste
	Have you ever been to Brum? The UK needs a two tier system. Asylum seekers following the correct process are ‘allowed in’ and processed in the UK. The anonymous ones, shipped to a holding camp, in say Syria, and processed there. The Americans managed it with Guantanamo Bay.

Guantanamo Bay Naval Base is a US military base and detention camp located on 120 square kilometers of land and water which the U.S. leased for use as a coaling station and naval base in 1903.

I do not believe the UK has a similar base in Syria?
A total of 775 people were shipped to Guantanamo; there are believed to be around half a million illegal migrants in the UK

[Belgianmum]

	Quote:	Fish Paste
	If you’re not British, why the vitriol about Brexit?

It seems to be the Greeks on here who are taking great delight in the whole Brexit debacle. I wonder why?

[Urs Max]

	Quote:
	Potentially, but I wouldn't get your hopes up. Britain would have to degenerate into a Mad Max type dystopia before the majority of the Rangers lot would even consider voting for Indy.

With only 55% No a few years ago that's far from a given, especially if the predictions that Brexit will cause an extended recession come true. People vote with their wallet/stomach.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	Belgianmum
	It seems to be the Greeks on here who are taking great delight in the whole Brexit debacle. I wonder why?

One or two, maybe, but not Greeks as a whole. I can assure you of that.

[lewton]

	Quote:	Urs Max
	With only 55% No a few years ago that's far from a given, especially if the predictions that Brexit will cause an extended recession come true. People vote with their wallet/stomach.

It does not even have to come to a strong recession for Scotland to change its mind.
In my social medial I often see stories of Scots who voted NO in the last referendum and are ready to vote YES in a future one, having seen how little respect the current bunch of rulling English Tories have for their country.
I am not aware of a counter-move, where people who voted YES last time have switched to NO. People who did want an independent Scotland in 2015 mostly still want to see an independent Scotland in 2019 too, regardless of whether they want it to join the EU or not. I suppose there are some people who want Scotland to be out of both the UK and the EU, but would they really vote NO in a potential new referendum (therefore vote to stay in the UK) just in order to avoid the possibility of an independent Scotland joining the EU?

[lewton]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	One or two, maybe, but not Greeks as a whole. I can assure you of that.

Belgianmum just wanted to make it personal, without any real data to back her allegations up other than a couple of people in this thread.
I will not follow her down the path of personal remarks (although it's easy given where she is from ).

[Belgianmum]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	One or two, maybe, but not Greeks as a whole. I can assure you of that.

Well, I said on here meaning this thread and Troubleawesome and Lewton are both Greek and both taking great delight in the mess that it Brexit. I didn’t mean all Greeks.

It was a tongue in cheek remark which Lewton seems to have taken personally.

	Quote:	Urs Max
	With only 55% No a few years ago that's far from a given, especially if the predictions that Brexit will cause an extended recession come true. People vote with their wallet/stomach.

	Quote:	lewton
	It does not even have to come to a strong recession for Scotland to change its mind. In my social medial I often see stories of Scots who voted NO in the last referendum and are ready to vote YES in a future one, having seen how little respect the current bunch of rulling English Tories have for their country. I am not aware of a counter-move, where people who voted YES last time have switched to NO. People who did want an independent Scotland in 2015 mostly still want to see an independent Scotland in 2019 too, regardless of whether they want it to join the EU or not. I suppose there are some people who want Scotland to be out of both the UK and the EU, but would they really vote NO in a potential new referendum (therefore vote to stay in the UK) just in order to avoid the possibility of an independent Scotland joining the EU?

I sincerely hope you are both right, but having got my hopes up last time, I am not going to get too excited about the possibility of it happening if/when we get a future vote.

[Fish Paste]

	Quote:	marton
	I do not believe the UK has a similar base in Syria? A total of 775 people were shipped to Guantanamo; there are believed to be around half a million illegal migrants in the UK

The Falklands then.

In any case, you are quite correct that the UK are shockingly bad at border control and deportations.
If successsive governments had just applied the existing laws and procedures a bit more effectively, Brexit ‘probably’ would not have happened.

That and a bit more communication when topics became hot, to refute a lot of the bull 5h1t in the press and spouted by politicians of every side.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	Belgianmum
	Well, I said on here meaning this thread and Troubleawesome and Lewton are both Greek and both taking great delight in the mess that it Brexit. I didn’t mean all Greeks.

I know, and I'm not having a pop at you personally, but I can see where they're coming from.

The worst thing Greece did was join the Euro, but though most of the people believed that, it wasn't enough for them to want to leave the EU. On the other hand, the UK has/had the best deal of any EU member state, yet has chosen to throw it all away. The commonest remark I get when I'm over in Greece is "Are British people stupid to want this?", and in all honesty, I reckon they are.

Everything that is great about the UK is despite the actions of any recent government, but it's the actions of a government that are inpinging on that. After reading the new year messages of the two main party 'leaders', all I could thing was "Go eff yourselves with big knobbly sticks with nails through them, you talentless bunch of tosspots!". If it's not the head girl banging on about unity...(eff that!)...it's Catweazle papping on about 'elites'...(go eff yourself! You've never done a proper day's work in your entire life!). I'm not at all disheartened but I will never forgive them for the last 3yrs...EVER!

[John William]

	Quote:	marton
	Transport Secretary Chris Grayling has defended his decision to award a £13.8m contract to charter extra ferries to a “start-up” company that has no ships, as part of no-deal Brexit preparations. Somebody lend me a hundred quid so I can found a UK Ltd company and then apply to the Govt. for a few million?

The Seaborne Freight government Ferry contract is getting hilarious now.

BBC News - Seaborne Freight Ferry use terms & conditions intended for a takeaway food shop