The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH - Page 808

#**16141** 03.01.2019, 16:46

	Quote:	Urs Max
	With only 55% No a few years ago that's far from a given, especially if the predictions that Brexit will cause an extended recession come true. People vote with their wallet/stomach.

But there can't possibly be a second referendum on Scottish independence. They had one, Yes lost, so Scotland will remain part of the UK for all eternity.

That's the way it works, you know.

curley · #**16142** 03.01.2019, 17:09

Why does the UK have to pay the EU £39bn?
Is it considered a breach of contract?

I think this membership "contract" should generally be reconfirmed every 5 or 10 years. Like any normal contract.

It could do the way they treat each other good.
Also there is no "for ever". Future generations (and circumstances .... actually those have already changed drastically since EU was invented) might see things differently and they shouldn't have to be trapped in situations their forefathers caused.

curley · #**16143** 03.01.2019, 17:11

	Quote:
	But there can't possibly be a second referendum on Scottish independence. They had one, Yes lost, so Scotland will remain part of the UK for all eternity. That's the way it works, you know.

LOL, that's not how it works.

But for a decade at least, if the Scots are not "going English"

k_and_e · #**16144** 03.01.2019, 17:34

	Quote:
	But there can't possibly be a second referendum on Scottish independence. They had one, Yes lost, so Scotland will remain part of the UK for all eternity. That's the way it works, you know.

No that's incorrect. Many of the Scottish voters were not aware of the consequences of the voting and there was also a lot of fake news in the voting. A new referendum is therefore the most obvious solution.

#**16145** 03.01.2019, 17:36

	Quote:	curley
	LOL, that's not how it works.

But Loz told me that a referendum result is final and there is no point in holding a second one!

#**16146** 03.01.2019, 17:38

	Quote:	k_and_e
	No that's incorrect. Many of the Scottish voters were not aware of the consequences of the voting and there was also a lot of fake news in the voting. A new referendum is therefore the most obvious solution.

For example?

(this will be an interesting list...)

Blueangel · #**16147** 03.01.2019, 17:40

	Quote:
	But Loz told me that a referendum result is final and there is no point in holding a second one!

But when they do, I'll be digging out my grandma's birth certificate and applying for a Scottish passport.

k_and_e · #**16148** 03.01.2019, 17:41

	Quote:
	For example? (this will be an interesting list...)

For example, were they ever informed that the UK would leave the EU?

(I'll better add a smiley to my original post next time)

curley · #**16149** 03.01.2019, 17:42

	Quote:
	But Loz told me that a referendum result is final and there is no point in holding a second one!

Didn't know you were one of these chicks who say "well, if it' not this extreme, it must be the the contrary extreme".

lewton · #**16150** 03.01.2019, 17:44

	Quote:	Belgianmum
	Well, I said on here meaning this thread and Troubleawesome and Lewton are both Greek and both taking great delight in the mess that it Brexit. I didn’t mean all Greeks.

My great delight has nothing to do with me being Greek and everything to do with me being a staunch Europhile.

#**16151** 03.01.2019, 17:55

	Quote:	k_and_e
	For example, were they ever informed that the UK would leave the EU? (I'll better add a smiley to my original post next time)

So you don't class soothsaying as fake news then..?

Fish Paste · #**16152** 03.01.2019, 18:41

I think that we can be confident further referendums will happen.
There needs to be at least seven years between them.

That’s seven years of deaths and seven years of the millenials (or generation X or whatever they are) coming of voting age, which is plenty enough numbers to make a difference.

#**16153** 03.01.2019, 20:59

	Quote:
	But there can't possibly be a second referendum on Scottish independence. They had one, Yes lost, so Scotland will remain part of the UK for all eternity. That's the way it works, you know.

No one “lost” the Scottish independence referendum, Scotland voted to remain a part of the union because the Scots bottled it.

It’s also funny how so many jocks that bang on about the virtues of remaining in the EU (like the SNP, oh and and StirB) are so desperate to be separated from the rest of the UK. As if Scottish nationalism is quaint, friendly and nice and British (English) nationalism is akin to fascism.

#**16154** 04.01.2019, 03:34

	Quote:	Loz1983
	No one “lost” the Scottish independence referendum, Scotland voted to remain a part of the union because the Scots bottled it. It’s also funny how so many jocks that bang on about the virtues of remaining in the EU (like the SNP, oh and and StirB) are so desperate to be separated from the rest of the UK. As if Scottish nationalism is quaint, friendly and nice and British (English) nationalism is akin to fascism.

I think most people would agree that the French are a deeply nationalistic people. The Germans can be, too. And Spaniards. And those people with funny American accents up in the north of Europe. And yet, they're all proud members of the EU.

It is quite possible to be nationalist and co-operate with your neighbours, you know.

3Wishes · #**16155** 04.01.2019, 08:59

	Quote:
	But there can't possibly be a second referendum on Scottish independence. They had one, Yes lost, so Scotland will remain part of the UK for all eternity. That's the way it works, you know.

We've been through this before, 22. You need to remember your emojis so numpties like me get your sarcasm with less effort. Like this:

	Quote:	curley
	Didn't know you were one of these chicks who say "well, if it' not this extreme, it must be the the contrary extreme".

22 is a chick? I know this thread often confuses me but...

greenmount · #**16156** 04.01.2019, 09:20

	Quote:	Loz1983
	No one “lost” the Scottish independence referendum, Scotland voted to remain a part of the union because the Scots bottled it. It’s also funny how so many jocks that bang on about the virtues of remaining in the EU (like the SNP, oh and and StirB) are so desperate to be separated from the rest of the UK. As if Scottish nationalism is quaint, friendly and nice and British (English) nationalism is akin to fascism.

IMHO - Scotland wanting independence just to remain in the EU would be stupid. Their historical and cultural ties with England are much more stronger than their ties with Continental Europe.
Every country that has historical regions which were more or less independent at one point or another has also different shades of local nationalism. Sometimes even comical - the next village or county can be "the others". Perhaps we should all return to the city-state type of territorial or administrative division...NOT.

Belgianmum · #**16157** 04.01.2019, 09:25

	Quote:	3Wishes
	22 is a chick? I know this thread often confuses me but...

Maybe he got a sex change for Christmas.

#**16158** 04.01.2019, 09:46

Scottish nationalism is based on civic nationalism Loz, we've already educated you (more than) once on this point, don't make us have to do it again. Sigh.

#**16159** 04.01.2019, 09:49

	Quote:	Belgianmum
	Maybe he got a sex change for Christmas.

I believe the politically correct term these days is gender reassignment

Blueangel · #**16160** 04.01.2019, 09:53

	Quote:	greenmount
	IMHO - Scotland wanting independence just to remain in the EU would be stupid. Their historical and cultural ties with England are much more stronger than their ties with Continental Europe.

I'm not sure why, but that idea makes me recoil. I've always viewed Scotland as a separate country.

	Quote:	greenmount
	Sometimes even comical - the next village or county can be "the others".

There's a hell of a lot of that in the UK. I still reckon Hadrian should have built the wall in a T shape, straight down the Pennines