The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[Blueangel]

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	LIVE: EU refuses to renegotiate Brexit deal as crucial vote nears

https://news.sky.com/story/date-set-...-deal-11600976

Well, no surprise there- their position has been made clear a long time ago- there will be no 'cake and eat it' deal - whether it is for May or Corbyn. Fair enough - of course they can't accept 'pick and choose'.

The House will never accept No Deal, and neither will the Lords. So the only way forward will be to revoke A50 or go back to the people.

In the meantime, they are spending tons of money staging a silly PR stunt with a few lorries in Kent - do they really think anyone will fall for this nonsense!

Will never wave to an Eddie Stoddart truck ever again

News: Guardian reporting that Labour are going to whip its mps to support the Yvette Cooper amendment to prevent a no deal Brexit, or close government down. Good!

[bowlie]

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	News: Guardian reporting that Labour are going to whip its mps to support the Yvette Cooper amendment to prevent a no deal Brexit, or close government down. Good!

First step should be to cut the electricity, gas and water supplies to Number 10. She wants to send GB back to the dark ages, it should start closer to her home.

[bowlie]

I doubt there will be a dramatic effect on travel come 29 March without a deal. But some things are fairly obvious. For example UK passport holders will be shown the ‘other passport’ queues at arrival airports in EU/EEA/CH. Not a big deal but will likely mean an additional 30s-1min to clear immigration per passenger. (Passports will need stamping in and out). You do the math, particularly at an airport like Geneva on a Saturday in ski season.

(Clearing a 180 seat flight arriving at the satellites will take an additional 20-40 minutes per flight. Buses to resorts delayed as will hotel checkin, ski hire, etc.)

On the way out similar challenges will exist. Flights will be delayed as passengers queueing in non-EU emigration lines. This will cause knock-on delays and diversions.

The daily mail is going to have a field day.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	bowlie
	On the way out similar challenges will exist. Flights will be delayed as passengers queueing in non-EU customs lines. This will cause knock-on delays and diversions.

Never seen a queue at customs at an airport including the US

[bowlie]

Apologies I shoud have said emigration. If you have flow from Geneva, which has only four windows on the way to the satellites you will understand what I mean.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	bowlie
	Apologies I shoud have said immigration. If you have flow from Geneva, which has only four windows on the way to the satellites you will understand what I mean.

Going to the Uk from Geneva nothing will change, as present you have your passport scanned leaving the Schengen area. Interestingly the new signs in Geneva (since Brexit vote) show British passports with EU passports.

[curley]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Never seen a queue at customs at an airport including the US

I have. The EU entry in England I think it was Luton.

Which made me insist being a non-EU-member and use the other one with the rest of the world (which at that time consisted of 3 people, including me).
I think they hated me but I could not be convinced otherwise.
And that time it didn't say "and Switzerland", I think they changed that now. ROFL, hope I didn't cause the extra printing costs.

And yes, I love to win.

	Quote:	bowlie
	First step should be to cut the electricity, gas and water supplies to Number 10. She wants to send GB back to the dark ages, it should start closer to her home.

As they are mostly owned by French, Germans, other EU and non EU - that will probably happen anyhow- in case of No Deal

FMF - Brexit has not happened yet, oder?

[fatmanfilms]

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	As they are mostly owned by French, Germans, other EU and non EU - that will probably happen anyhow- in case of No Deal FMF - Brexit has not happened yet, oder?

Sure but UK is not in Schengen so already full immigration check today just like citizens from 3rd countries leaving ANY Schengen country for the UK.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	curley
	I have. The EU entry in England I think it was Luton.

Thats not customs it's immigration, which will be the same as every passport / ID card is checked today. Before Schengen you just walked through with a UK/EU passport. Of course from CH you still will go through the same customs channel as today as CH is non EU.

[bowlie]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Going to the Uk from Geneva nothing will change, as present you have your passport scanned leaving the Schengen area. Interestingly the new signs in Geneva (since Brexit vote) show British passports with EU passports.

No, British passports will need to be stamped into and out of Schengen (There is an exception for non-Schengen EU Member States at the moment). This means the official needs to find the entry stamp and then stamp it. Probably 15-30 additional seconds per passenger. For 180 passengers at two windows means an additional 20-45 minutes per flight.

These little things do add up.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	bowlie
	No, British passports will need to be stamped. This means the official needs to find the entry stamp and then stamp it. Probably 15-30 additional seconds per passenger. For 180 passengers at two windows means an additional 20-45 minutes per flight. These little things do add up.

It's all electronically stored, I doubt they will be stamped, CH has not stamped UK passports for over 30 years. BTW Brits are entitled to a second UK passport if they travel for work regularly so stamping the passport is irrelevant.

Since you edited your post, it's all stored in the Schengen system, no need to stamp passports, Of course UK citizens in resident in a Schengen country have no Schengen restrictions. You are over complicating something that is very simple.

All 180 Passengers have to get their passports electronically scanned today, it won't add any time at all. There are more than 2 windows.... you clearly don't use Geneva often, quiet possible to go to the other 2 windows round the corner if there is a queue

[bowlie]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	It's all electronically stored, I doubt they will be stamped, CH has not stamped UK passports for over 30 years. BTW Brits are entitled to a second UK passport if they travel for work regularly so stamping the passport is irrelevant. Since you edited your post, it's all stored in the Schengen system, no need to stamp passports, Of course UK citizens in Schengen have no Schengen restrictions. You are over complicating something that is very simple. All 180 Passengers have to get their passports electronically scanned today, it won't add any time at all. There are more than 2 windows.... you clearly don't use Geneva often, quiet possible to go to the other 2 windows round the corner if there is a queue

I have a non-EU passport and it requires stamping unless I also hand over my Swiss resident papers. And that adds at least a minute to the process as they have to scan that as well. And I seriously doubt HMG has the expertise to even ask for an exemption for this relatively simple task.

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	I doubt they will be stamped,

You doubt - well I am sure the Swiss autorities will listen to your doubts and opinions very carefully indeed

I have not got a clue, no-one has a ******ing clue and neither have you- the only certainty we have for now. is the we don't know!

[fatmanfilms]

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	You doubt - well I am sure the Swiss autorities will listen to your doubts and opinions very carefully indeed I have not got a clue, no-one has a ******ing clue and neither have you- the only certainty we have for now. is the we don't know!

You may not realise that computerisation has come to CH, as I said earlier having 2 UK passports is totally legal so whats stamped in a passport may not be the whole story.

[marton]

ernst and young said in a report published Monday that Banks and other financial companies have shifted at least £800 billion ($1 trillion) worth of assets out of the country and into the European Union because of Brexit.

Source

"Our numbers only reflect the moves that have been announced publicly," said Omar Ali, head of financial services at EY. "We know that behind the scenes firms are continuing to plan for a 'no deal' scenario."

The figures quoted today in the UK press is 3 trillion

[bowlie]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	You may not realise that computerisation has come to CH, as I said earlier having 2 UK passports is totally legal so whats stamped in a passport may not be the whole story.

The stamping of passports isn’t just for the benefit of immigration officials at airports and other border crossings. A Schengen entry stamp gives you the right to visit Schengen countries for three months. An exit stamp cancels that privilege, until the next visit.

Hopefully UK nationals will retain many of their privileges but that doesn’t mean they will have the same status as a Member State national. That would be eating the cake and having it too. Some things will change and it is the little things that will hurt the most.

Get ready to flash your permit with your passport when entering or leaving Schengen, just like every other 3rd country national.

[fatmanfilms]

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	The figures quoted today in the UK press is 3 trillion

It makes very little difference where you store other people's assets. Since exchange of info became an issue lots of UK residents assets held in CH went to Liechtenstein as thats was a requirement of HMRC's disclosure scheme.