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View Poll Results: What would you personally prefer to happen?
I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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It makes very little difference where you store other people's assets. Since exchange of info became an issue lots of UK residents assets held in CH went to Liechtenstein as thats was a requirement of HMRC's disclosure scheme.
...which wouldn't help them very much as Liechtenstein is also part of the disclosure round.
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Old 08.01.2019, 09:28
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...which wouldn't help them very much as Liechtenstein is also part of the disclosure round.
https://www.gov.uk/government/public...-liechtenstein
The Liechtenstein Disclosure Facility (LDF) is an agreement between the governments of Liechtenstein and the United Kingdom which enables UK citizens to declare previously undisclosed assets to Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs (HMRC). The LDF, which came into force on 1 September 2009, is designed to be a proactive initiative which encourages individuals to voluntarily regularize their affairs. The scheme offers more favourable terms than other tax investigations, with participants normally receiving a fine of 10 per cent of tax due instead of 100 per cent, with tax interest and penalties only sought for the previous 10 years rather than the previous 20 years.

The LDF is available to UK taxpayers with ‘relevant property’ or ‘an interest in relevant property’ held in Liechtenstein subject to the following restrictions:

If a person is already under investigation by HMRC they cannot participate.
If there has been a previous investigation by HMRC and a person did not knowingly disclose their interest, they will be able to participate however will not be able to benefit from the limited penalty provisions.
Any person who was contacted by HMRC under the terms of the Offshore Disclosure Facility or the New Disclosure Opportunity will be able to participate but will not benefit from the limited penalty provisions. Any penalty will however be restricted to penalties under the New Disclosure Facility.
Any person who has a bank account or financial portfolio account which was opened through a UK branch or agency will be able to participate but will not, in relation to that account, be eligible for the shorter limitation period, the fixed penalty or the composite rate option.

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Old 08.01.2019, 10:06
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...which expired on 31 December 2015.

Liechetnstein has operated AEOI since January 2017, one of the first countries to operate actually.

https://www.finance.li/en/news-detai...f-information/
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...which expired on 31 December 2015.

Liechetnstein has operated AEOI since January 2017, one of the first countries to operate actually.

https://www.finance.li/en/news-detai...f-information/
Moving the money to Liechtenstein was to DISCLOSE the money, not HIDE it. I doubt you bothered to read my post or the link as this is clear.
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The shocking behaviour of alt-right EDL/BF yesterday was truly shocking- attacking Anna Soubry and others on the way to Parliament- calling them traitors and nazis- and with the Police just standing there.

And this is being used by ERG and the Cons as the reason why there can be no other solution but either accept May's terrible deal or go hell bent for No Deal - shameful and disgusting. Brexit has truly unleashed the monsters at the bottom of the sewers - who are now holding the country to ransom with threats of extreme violence. They killed Jo Cox - and I fear for Anna and others. Tragic. Large groups of thugs, wearing Yellow Vests copied from French socialists and communists- oh the irony - to scream anti EU abuse. Fascists and N*Zis shouting 'NAZI' at all opposing Brexit ... it is just sheer madness

Did you watch the Brexit film last night- on the tactics used to push those who had never voted before, and how? Truly scary. I honestly feel that any expat here or in the EU who voted for Brexit should have to go back and face the consequences of what they have unleashed.
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Old 08.01.2019, 13:14
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The shocking behaviour of alt-right EDL/BF yesterday was truly shocking- attacking Anna Soubry and others on the way to Parliament- calling them traitors and nazis- and with the Police just standing there.
Unpleasant for her but the irony (or was it lack of self-awareness?) of her being screamed at that she's a Nazi by the nationalistic alt-right was quite funny though.


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Did you watch the Brexit film last night- on the tactics used to push those who had never voted before, and how? Truly scary. I honestly feel that any expat here or in the EU who voted for Brexit should have to go back and face the consequences of what they have unleashed.
Started to watch it but couldn't cope with Cumberbatch's comb-over.

Predictably, Brexiters are whining that it's a leftie agenda by Channel 4. Facts don't matter any more when you've got algorithms.
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Old 08.01.2019, 13:15
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Brexit has truly unleashed the monsters at the bottom of the sewers - who are now holding the country to ransom with threats of extreme violence. They killed Jo Cox - and I fear for Anna and others. Tragic.
Brexiters killed Jo Cox even before Brexit was a thing?!
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Yes, but it clearly shows what that alt right rent a mob can do. Any of those yesterday could have carried a knife...

Sandgrounder, you may have found it 'funny' - I am sure Anna did not- and I can truly understand why.

In the meantime:

The Bank of England announced that voting to leave the European Union has cost Britain more than £440 million a week in lost growth since the referendum, thats £727 per second. On top of course of the massive PR stunts to 'prepare for No Deal', be it in Contracts to ferry companies without boats, and hauliers yesterday, etc, etc, etc.

My comment above applies especially to those who groan btw- and I shall wear their groans with pride, thanks.
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Buried in a 19,800 word Spectator essay written by former online editor and Vote Leave director Dominic Cummings is an admission: The Brexit referendum was won by lying to the public.

The piece is well worth reading but also falls victim to classic mansplaining of a complex issue with many words wasted on prose that most politicians would be proud of, working around the subject rather than delving in to the heart of it.

Of course, that’s for a very good reason, because at the heart of the vote to leave the European Union is an entanglement of lies and propagandist sensationalism that even the most brave souls wouldn’t dare admit to.

There is the admission that the NHS wouldn’t really take back our £350 million EU fee, and that immigration wouldn’t really be capped, and that standards of living wouldn’t really change if we left the EU. All of which are matters that the general public voted on, and all are incorrect.

And so to the damning paragraph that outs the Leave Campaign for what it was:

Pundits and MPs kept saying ‘why isn’t Leave arguing about the economy and living standards’. They did not realise that for millions of people, £350m/NHS was about the economy and living standards – that’s why it was so effective. It was clearly the most effective argument not only with the crucial swing fifth but with almost every demographic. Even with UKIP voters it was level-pegging with immigration. Would we have won without immigration? No. Would we have won without £350m/NHS? All our research and the close result strongly suggests No. Would we have won by spending our time talking about trade and the Single Market? No way.

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/ne...-public/08/02/
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Unpleasant for her but the irony (or was it lack of self-awareness?) of her being screamed at that she's a Nazi by the nationalistic alt-right was quite funny though.
Have you seen the rebranding of UKIP as... "a middle-of-the-road people's party." That puts the Torys centre left.

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Sandgrounder, you may have found it 'funny' - I am sure Anna did not- and I can truly understand why.
To be fair, I wasn't laughing at her or her predicament (thought it was clear from my comment - seems not ). The funny, as in "irony", was the mob of mouth-breathing immigrant-hating nationalists calling a Remainer "Nazi".
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Brexiters killed Jo Cox even before Brexit was a thing?!
I think Brexit was a thing a week before the Brexit referendum
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The shocking behaviour of alt-right EDL/BF yesterday was truly shocking- attacking Anna Soubry and others on the way to Parliament- calling them traitors and nazis- and with the Police just standing there.
Oh shut up. This has been happening for years to the likes of Nigel Farage and you've been silent.

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To be fair, I wasn't laughing at her or her predicament (thought it was clear from my comment - seems not ). The funny, as in "irony", was the mob of mouth-breathing immigrant-hating nationalists calling a Remainer "Nazi".
Yup, gets called Nazi, reacts by calling the protesters fascist. Couldn't make it up

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I may as well join in the hysterics.

There’ll be no more halloumi after Brexit!!!!!
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Oh shut up. This has been happening for years to the likes of Nigel Farage and you've been silent.

Awww, you don't like Scotland at all, do you? Nigel (and more broadly the UKIP party) is scum, not sure what's wrong with playfully reminding him of that fact.

He came up to Scotland uninvited and expected a throng of awaiting accolytes, but seemed to be somehow shocked that Edinburgh wasn't a huge fan of a master (race) baiter telling them what to think. He wasn't assaulted or threatened with it, just had members of the public voicing their opinion...not particularly pleasant or edifying for anyone, but there was no threat to his person (just his politics!).

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Awww, you don't like Scotland at all, do you? Nigel (and more broadly the UKIP party) is scum, not sure what's wrong with reminding him.
Judging by the look on his face I thought they were chanting "smug".
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Awww, you don't like Scotland at all, do you? Nigel (and more broadly the UKIP party) is scum, not sure what's wrong with playfully reminding him of that fact.

He came up to Scotland uninvited and expected a throng of awaiting accolytes, but seemed to be somehow shocked that Edinburgh wasn't a huge fan of a master (race) baiter telling them what to think.
I never said people can't say that, just don't complain about poor Anna Soubry and Owen Jones like it's something new when it's been going on for a long time.
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Oh shut up. This has been happening for years to the likes of Nigel Farage and you've been silent.

Well, she is definitely not a nazi - whereas he has been truly and clealry shown to be ........... However, most of the protests and massive marches by Remainers have been peaceful, polite and good humoured- but I'd agree the above is out of order too (yes, even if he is exactly what he was being accused of).


As for Boris, now saying the people clearly voted for No Deal or WTO rules- he has changed his tune, hey.!

This is what he said right AFTER the Referendum even:

Days after the referendum he wrote "there will continue to be free trade, and access to the single market."

He added: "The only change - and it will not come in any great rush - is that the UK will extricate itself from the EU's extraordinary and opaque system of legislation: the vast and growing corpus of law enacted by a European Court of Justice from which there can be no appeal.

"This will bring not threats, but golden opportunities for this country - to pass laws and set taxes according to the needs of the UK." - oh and that from The Mirror- not the Guardian, Independent or New European
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I never said people can't say that, just don't complain about poor Anna Soubry and Owen Jones like it's something new when it's been going on for a long time.
I didn't. If there are no threats on the people involved's person, then I am not arsed about people calling them names or disagreeing with their politics vociferously.
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