The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[StirB]

	Quote:	Sandgrounder
	Judging by the look on his face I thought they were chanting "smug".

To his credit, he took it well with good humour. Still a scumbag though!

	Quote:	Odile
	Well, she is definitely not a nazi - whereas he has been truly and clealry shown to be ...........

Where? Show me truly and clearly where Nigel Farage has been proven to be a Nazi.

	Quote:	Odile
	The piece is well worth reading but also falls victim to classic mansplaining...

You ought to be careful or else you'll end up turning full on swivel eyed twitterati loon.

[Sandgrounder]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	I never said people can't say that, just don't complain about poor Anna Soubry and Owen Jones like it's something new when it's been going on for a long time.

Actually, it is veering onto something new. Targeting and following politicians with the express reason to intimidate and abuse, to the extent where even female journalists need a security detail is not normal.

Politicians on public engagements being jeered at is not new (Farage in Edinburgh, for example), is an accepted part of politics and has been for generations.

Don't care what side of the political fence it happens on. If you are afraid to walk about by yourself because you might be set upon by a mob, and people think it's the new normal, society needs to have a long hard look at itself.

	Quote:	Sandgrounder
	Actually, it is veering onto something new. Targeting and following politicians with the express reason to intimidate and abuse, to the extent where even female journalists need a security detail is not normal.

It's not normal but neither is it new.

Laura Kuenssberg: BBC political editor 'given bodyguards' at Labour party conference after online abuse

[Sandgrounder]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	It's not normal but neither is it new. Laura Kuenssberg: BBC political editor 'given bodyguards' at Labour party conference after online abuse

Eh? It's dated Sept 2017

When I said "new" I didn't mean in the last week.

[22 yards]

	Quote:	StirB
	To his credit, he took it well with good humour. Still a scumbag though!

Smugbag, surely?

[Odile]

Both indeed.

Those leading the ''Yellow Vests' attacks on Anna Soubry and other remainers are self-confessed fascist altright of long standing like Tony Robinson. How any one can compare the terms 'traitor, Nazi on the side of Hitler' (oh the irony)- to 'scumbag' - is beyond me, for sure.

https://resistinghate.org/james-godd...Twwx1TNZVprpxg

	Quote:	Odile
	Both indeed. Those leading the ''Yellow Vests' attacks on Anna Soubry and other remainers are self-confessed fascist altright of long standing like Tony Robinson. How any one can compare the terms 'traitor, Nazi on the side of Hitler' (oh the irony)- to 'scumbag' - is beyond me, for sure. https://resistinghate.org/james-godd...Twwx1TNZVprpxg

He wasn't just called a scumbag though, was he?

The press conference inside the pub was soon surrounded by dozens of protesters shouting "racist Nazi scum".

[Sandgrounder]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	He wasn't just called a scumbag though, was he? The press conference inside the pub was soon surrounded by dozens of protesters shouting "racist Nazi scum".

Would it have been more acceptable if they'd called him Bus W@nker? Seeing as his constant banging on about immigration and posing in front of a massive poster of refugees seems to have earned him the moniker of "racist Nazi" which appears to cause him (or at least you) some discomfort.

[Blueangel]

You're missing the point Loz. The people who surrounded Soubry yesterday are already known to the police. They're not just random people heckling a politician. They're known and have form.

[greenmount]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Oh shut up. This has been happening for years to the likes of Nigel Farage and you've been silent.

Did you expect people remain silent and courteous with someone like him? His words speak for himself, he doesn't need a full confession "Hi, I'm Nigel and I'm a fascist".

As long as he's physically safe this is part of the game. I bet he even enjoys it, he feels like a hero probably. Hope he'll be always safe though, if something happens to him, even accidentally, it will cause a shit storm among his supporters.

	Quote:	Sandgrounder
	Would it have been more acceptable if they'd called him Bus W@nker? Seeing as his constant banging on about immigration and posing in front of a massive poster of refugees seems to have earned him the moniker of "racist Nazi" which appears to cause him (or at least you) some discomfort.

People can call him what they like. If you enter political life like Soubry or Farage, then you should expect to get some back. Just don't pretend what happened to Soubry yesterday is any different to what Farage has been getting for years.

[Urs Max]

	Quote:	bowlie
	I doubt there will be a dramatic effect on travel come 29 March without a deal. But some things are fairly obvious. For example UK passport holders will be shown the ‘other passport’ queues at arrival airports in EU/EEA/CH. Not a big deal but will likely mean an additional 30s-1min to clear immigration per passenger. (Passports will need stamping in and out). You do the math, particularly at an airport like Geneva on a Saturday in ski season. (Clearing a 180 seat flight arriving at the satellites will take an additional 20-40 minutes per flight. Buses to resorts delayed as will hotel checkin, ski hire, etc.) On the way out similar challenges will exist. Flights will be delayed as passengers queueing in non-EU emigration lines. This will cause knock-on delays and diversions. The daily mail is going to have a field day.

Broadly speaking nothing will change, if doable. Consequences like the ones you describe will probably be prevented.

Recent communication by by the federal government has made it clear that as far as doable, Brexit will effect no changes in UK-CH relations and how things are handled. Either the current regulations will be extended (with a deal) or (no-deal scenario) some replacement regime amounting to the same will come into effect post-Brexit. If necessary unilateral short-term regulations will be put in place, with the clear implication that the UK will do likewise.

[Blueangel]

I'll ignore your previous remark. Tell me when members of the public tried the physically bar Farage from entering parliament?

[lewton]

The irony is that all those mobsters will probably suffer more from Brexit than the "elite" who will mostly be fine and if not, they can move to the EU and find better jobs with their mostly better skills and education.

I think that post-Brexit we should introduce a scheme that allows well-educated English and Welsh citizens to easily move to the EU and get long-term residence permits from the beginning, as long as they can prove with past social media posts that they suported Remain.

	Quote:	Blueangel
	I'll ignore your previous remark. Tell me when members of the public tried the physically bar Farage from entering parliament?

Show me where Soubry was was physically barred from entering Parliament?

I can show you Jacob Rees Mogg being physically prevented from giving a speech though.

He just didn't go and cry about it all over the news and Twitter though.

[Sandgrounder]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	People can call him what they like. If you enter political life like Soubry or Farage, then you should expect to get some back. Just don't pretend what happened to Soubry yesterday is any different to what Farage has been getting for years.

The only issue is that the mob around Soubry clearly have no idea what a Nazi is. Be a protester by all means, but research your vocab beforehand.

[Sandgrounder]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Show me where Soubry was was physically barred from entering Parliament? I can show you Jacob Rees Mogg being physically prevented from giving a speech though. He just didn't go and cry about it all over the news and Twitter though.

Do you have any input at all that doesn't involve whataboutism?

	Quote:	Sandgrounder
	Do you have any input at all that doesn't involve whataboutism?

Lol. I win, checkmate.

[Sandgrounder]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Lol. I win, checkmate.

I think it's only you playing but... err... well done, eh?