The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[amogles]

	Quote:	lewton
	I think that post-Brexit we should introduce a scheme that allows well-educated English and Welsh citizens to easily move to the EU and get long-term residence permits from the beginning, as long as they can prove with past social media posts that they suported Remain.

I like the idea.

people who can prove they wanted to remain should be allowed to leave, and people who wanted to leave should be allowed to remain.

	Quote:	curley
	<<Theresa May will be obliged to present MPs with a new Brexit plan within three days>> LOL. They think May is the queen and it's 1707?

Nope. May is trying to use her complete absence of a back-up plan and the thread of a no deal Brexit to force remainers to vote for her plan. This vote takes that crutch away.

	Quote:	amogles
	I like the idea. people who can prove they wanted to remain should be allowed to leave, and people who wanted to leave should be allowed to remain.

the past tense you use - wt about all those who have changed their mind, now they know they were lied to, that fraud took place, that they were manipulated by an insidious campaign, or now realise the actual consequences are dire.

Give them a vote, not a second Referendu - but a first vote, informed, without lies- on the actual deal on offer. That would be truly Democratic, no?

[bowlie]

	Quote:
	Give them a vote, not a second Referendu - but a first vote, informed, without lies- on the actual deal on offer. That would be truly Democratic, no?

But how? I seriously doubt that a large number of MPs have actually considered what they are voting on. How to we convey to the average British (resident in the UK and the Irish and Commonwealth also resident, but not British citizens resident abroad for more than 15 years, etc.) what they are actually voting on.

I see a hoard of buses, all lying in wait ...

[greenmount]

On an unrelated topic, but only because everyone talked about Scots, Irish and Welsh a few days ago ....anyone here who understands this?

The only ineligible word is "Referendum"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-1SPdgcgeA

[curley]

	Quote:	greenmount
	On an unrelated topic, but only because everyone talked about Scots, Irish and Welsh a few days ago ....anyone here who understands this? The only ineligible word is "Referendum" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-1SPdgcgeA

In addition to that I understood "after we ??? last year and voted ???.

LOL. Sounds nice though.
So where are the Welsh to help us?

	Quote:	greenmount
	On an unrelated topic, but only because everyone talked about Scots, Irish and Welsh a few days ago ....anyone here who understands this? The only ineligible word is "Referendum" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-1SPdgcgeA

I'd hesitate to label the word "referendum" ineligible.

[fatmanfilms]

David Davis: The closer we are to no deal, the better the chance of a good deal
https://news.sky.com/story/david-dav...uYjmfYKfqnTlaY

[bowlie]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	David Davis: The closer we are to no deal, the better the chance of a good deal https://news.sky.com/story/david-dav...uYjmfYKfqnTlaY

I wonder what is in his leek soup? The Commission, the Council and the Parliament are not going to move a millimetre. To do so would spell the end of the Union.

The UK leaving is painfull, very painfull but giving the UK their cake sends the wrong message. The EU will certainly survive Brexit.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	bowlie
	I wonder what is in his leek soup? The Commission, the Council and the Parliament are not going to move a millimetre. To do so would spell the end of the Union. The UK leaving is painfull, very painfull but giving the UK their cake sends the wrong message. The EU will certainly survive Brexit.

Since the divorce settlement was the most important part for the EU, I think you could be wrong. Remember nothing else could be discussed until divorce finalised subject to a deal.

[Troublawesome]

So the UK will walk away from all her financial obligations in case of a no-deal? A cheater? That's never going to happen, deal or no deal the UK will pay a divorce bill, it will never be zero.


As an adult any paid club you joined and signed a contract for has an exit fee. Countries are the same and if it's broken the loss in market trust will shadow any pain they might feel from Brexit.

[Troublawesome]

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/n...-37696467.html


Sinn Fein President Mary Lou McDonald, speaking to reporters in Brussels on Wednesday, said: "We believe we're in a process now in achieving a referendum on Irish unity."
She added that in the event of a no-deal Brexit, Sinn Fein will push the British Government to call a border poll.
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First Scotland, now Ireland. Is this what Leavers voted for? No idea, but sure is what they'll get.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	Troublawesome
	So the UK will walk away from all her financial obligations in case of a no-deal? A cheater? That's never going to happen, deal or no deal the UK will pay a divorce bill, it will never be zero. .

UK will be in a better position to revalue it's EU investment assets, no pressure. EU may well need to pay the UK.

[k_and_e]

	Quote:	Troublawesome
	As an adult any paid club you joined and signed a contract for has an exit fee. Countries are the same and if it's broken the loss in market trust will shadow any pain they might feel from Brexit.

There is generally a fee when you join. Not when you leave.

Of course there is a fee to leave, if as a member you committed to contracts and large expense prior the decision,

	Quote:
	Yeah, we wouldn't want to take the extreme actions of a small minority of people and tar everyone with the same beliefs with the same brush now, would we? That would be pretty dumb, right?

Sandgrounder, were you trying to hint about the general views portrayed about certain religion based on the actions of a small minority?

[Troublawesome]

	Quote:	k_and_e
	There is generally a fee when you join. Not when you leave.

Haven't done much adulting in your life then have you?


Just call your landlord and tell them you're leaving tomorrow then. Then your employer and finally your phone provider. Tell them you changed your mind and you're leaving and you don't owe them anything.


Tell us how it plays out and if you get another job or apartment anytime soon.


Now imagine you are a country and instead of your credit history taking a hit, your bonds and your currency face the consequences.


P.S Did you by any chance vote for Brexit? You seem to fit the fact-checking stereotype nicely.

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	David Davis: The closer we are to no deal, the better the chance of a good deal https://news.sky.com/story/david-dav...uYjmfYKfqnTlaY

Do you mean this David Davis, dismissing fears a Brexit deal might be difficult: "It is like threading the eye of a needle. If you have a good eye and a steady hand, it is easy enough." (December 2016)

Or David Davis, the expert on trade? "Within 2 years, before negotiation with the EU is likely to be complete, & therefore before anything material has changed, we can negotiate a free trade area massively larger than the EU. The new trade agreements will come into force at point of exit." (July 2016)

And David Davis on trade again: "I believe that we can get a free trade and customs agreement concluded before March 2019." (January 2017)

He's rock solid on the concept of a definitive exit from the EU: "The idea that we’ll do a transitional arrangement where you’re still in, paying money, still with free movement of people – that we’ll do the long-term deal in slow motion … That is plainly not what we’re after." (March 2016)

David 'No Second Referendum' Davis, on the EU: "If a democracy cannot change its mind, it ceases to be a democracy." (2012)

Yes, his predictions are uncannily consistent. Consistently and wildly incorrect.

	Quote:
	Sandgrounder, were you trying to hint about the general views portrayed about certain religion based on the actions of a small minority?

Anything to do with Brexit?

[st2lemans]

	Quote:	bowlie
	The EU will certainly survive Brexit.

Pity.

Tom