The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH - Page 82

dawiz · #**1621** 24.06.2016, 05:50

Well, good luck. I sincerely hope I'm wrong about what will happen now in Britain and the rest of Europe.

greenmount · #**1622** 24.06.2016, 06:08

	Quote:	dawiz
	There's the right to criticize and there is the idea of accepting a democratic vote. I'm not criticizing the vote - as a matter of fact I wish the UK voted on more things. I'm not British, it's not my country. But personally I believe the Brexit vote happened out of irrational fear and without the population actually informing themselves - much like with the MEI etc. I just hope the EU won't fail because one country's helter-skelter vote during a time of general, world-wide instability.

100% my view too on the topic.

	Quote:	dawiz
	Well, good luck. I sincerely hope I'm wrong about what will happen now in Britain and the rest of Europe.

EU will not collapse in case of a Brexit, but most probably it will be run from Berlin only.

dawiz · #**1623** 24.06.2016, 06:42

	Quote:	greenmount
	EU will not collapse in case of a Brexit, but most probably it will be run from Berlin only.

Which probably won't improve Switzerland's chances of reducing mass immigration (which is led by the influx of German workers).

Noth · #**1624** 24.06.2016, 06:42

This is a disaster of monumental proportions. If there was a UK politician gifted enough to guide the country through Brexit, I might support it, but the current lot... And of course, Scotland is going to try to declare independance ASAP.

This is exactly what happens when you tell anyone who wants to discuss the consequences of immigration that they're racist, then give them a referendum that they perceive to be able to affect immigration. The peoples of Europe never get asked, except Switzerland in 2014 and now UK in 2016. Take note politicians.

Also, if Cameron *had* allowed the Brits abroad for more than 15 years to vote, this wouldn't be the same result.

I bet you FOREX people are having fun today...

dawiz · #**1625** 24.06.2016, 06:44

	Quote:	Noth
	And of course, Scotland is going to try to declare independance ASAP.

And they might be joined by Northern Ireland.

#**1626** 24.06.2016, 06:45

Well that wasn't expected.

19Monica · #**1627** 24.06.2016, 06:49

Damn it! The gbp dropped from 1.41 to 1.28 and I didn't move my money. Big mistake

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JagWaugh · #**1628** 24.06.2016, 06:53

	Quote:	Noth
	I bet you FOREX people are having fun today...

Not just the FOREX desks...

FuriousRose · #**1629** 24.06.2016, 07:01

So is it going to be a Black Friday?

Pachyderm · #**1630** 24.06.2016, 07:01

	Quote:	dawiz
	There's the right to criticize and there is the idea of accepting a democratic vote. I'm not criticizing the vote - as a matter of fact I wish the UK voted on more things. I'm not British, it's not my country. But personally I believe the Brexit vote happened out of irrational fear and without the population actually informing themselves - much like with the MEI etc. I just hope the EU won't fail because one country's helter-skelter vote during a time of general, world-wide instability.

(What's "the MEI"?)

If you're not British and don't understand British politics, it might be best not to pronounce on Brits and what drove the Brexit decision. The fact is that these things have complex answers that can't be tossed off in a sentence or two. Yes, at one end of the spectrum there was emotion and some outright hostility to 'foreigners' but you will find that in every nation earth -- yes, even Switzerland, France and Germany. Away from that extreme, there was much excellent debate about democracy, sovereignty, and accountability. Many of us thought that the EU had gone way over the top with its obsession with federalism. I loved the idea of the original common market, but the 28-nation EU with all its complexity over fiscal union, legal supremacy, all the consumer regulations and this new plan about a European military force... is way beyond what many of us want.

On a personal note, I think we've had a very good debate on here, and I hope no one was offended by my enthusiasm for a Brexit. For those who argued passionately, and intelligently, for a Remain vote, I hope you can work through the disappointment and anxiety quickly. I stand by what I said all along, that a Brexit would give the UK a new opportunity to recalibrate its relationship with the world. It should be a time for excitement, not fear.

Looks like the markets and currencies will be volatile for a while. So be it. We knew that would happen. The dust will settle, and when it does, let's look forward to a new sort of relationship with Europe. As many of us have said all along, we love Europe and we love being Europeans, but simply don't like the EU very much. I'd go as far as to say that the EU spoils Europe and threatens our natural camaraderie. Without it, I hope we can get back to a healthy, normal businesslike relationship.

Pachyderm · #**1631** 24.06.2016, 07:08

	Quote:	Noth
	This is a disaster of monumental proportions. If there was a UK politician gifted enough to guide the country through Brexit, I might support it, but the current lot... And of course, Scotland is going to try to declare independance ASAP.

We have plenty of talented politicians, and they now have work to do. As for Scotland, they can't "declare independence". They can try to get another referendum but that whole process would take a long time.

	Quote:	Noth
	Also, if Cameron had* allowed the Brits abroad for more than 15 years to vote, this wouldn't be the same result.*

I disagree. The margin of victory is about 1.5 million votes. Are there that many 15+ year expats who would definitely vote AND definitely vote Brexit?

Medea Fleecestealer · #**1632** 24.06.2016, 07:15

	Quote:	baboon
	UKIP basically conceeding and Sky poll pointing at 52:48 for remain. Phew if true.

Right percentage, wrong way around. 52% Leave, 48% Remain. Result confirmed. YES!

Swisstree · #**1633** 24.06.2016, 07:16

Finally reform might begin to happen as this vote is the kick in the arse the EU needed. If the EU is going to work, this could be start of a better, more transparent EU in the future.. with the UK working towards being a part of it at a later date. Something needed to happen, thankfully it did.

Juncker you failed big time. Failed to keep the the UK in the EU. All your miserable threats.. should've given Cameron a better deal in 2015. And this is what you had to say yesterday on the eve of the referendum, muppet..

When are polictians in the UK and the EU going start listening to each other and to the voters?!!

Democracy punches the air in triumph today.

Now can someone go and shut Farage up, please.. and take him away somewhere

dawiz · #**1634** 24.06.2016, 07:17

	Quote:	Pachyderm
	(What's "the MEI"?) If you're not British and don't understand British politics, it might be best not to pronounce on Brits and what drove the Brexit decision.

I'm giving you my personal (mostly Swiss) opinion here. But I guess it's only consequential for you to follow your own advice and also refrain from commenting on topics pertaining to Swiss politics (which you obviously have no idea about and are not interested in, judging by your "MEI" question) in the future.

dawiz · #**1635** 24.06.2016, 07:20

	Quote:	Swisstree
	Finally reform might begin to happen as this vote is the kick in the arse the EU needed.

I really hope it turns out that way. I just think that the EU will now play "wounded animal", lash out and walk away from negotiations. Threatening your negotiation partner is a clear sign of weakness - I see that in my boss every day. And without a strong position and good arguments, things fall apart quickly.

Swisstree · #**1636** 24.06.2016, 07:28

	Quote:	dawiz
	I really hope it turns out that way. I just think that the Juncker will now play "wounded animal", lash out and walk away from negotiations. Threatening your negotiation partner is a clear sign of weakness - I see that in my boss every day.

FTFY

Juncker is a problem, he needs to change his working attitude to the EU, or go.

On the 1st of June, Donald Tusk was more eloquent and honest about the problems at the heart of the EU and how it needs to change.

No one was listening..

JamesTr · #**1637** 24.06.2016, 07:30

Today the EU commissars have a bad morning and may not digest the croissants suplied for free by taxpayers today

People can like or not like the British decision, in any case it's a win for democracy. Let the people decide and not the non-elected commissars

FrankZappa · #**1638** 24.06.2016, 07:34

	Quote:	dawiz
	I really hope it turns out that way. I just think that the EU will now play "wounded animal", lash out and walk away from negotiations. Threatening your negotiation partner is a clear sign of weakness - I see that in my boss every day. And without a strong position and good arguments, things fall apart quickly.

Given that the Leave campaigners have spent most of their time insulting the EU and that the EU has little to gain by giving the UK a good deal, I see no reason why the EU should be anything other than extremely tough with the UK. "Wounded animal" has nothing to do with it.

k_and_e · #**1639** 24.06.2016, 07:34

	Quote:	Swisstree
	Juncker is a problem, he needs to change his working attitude to the EU, or go.

Why?

How does this work?

greenmount · #**1640** 24.06.2016, 07:36

	Quote:	dawiz
	I'm giving you my personal (mostly Swiss) opinion here. But I guess it's only consequential for you to follow your own advice and also refrain from commenting on topics pertaining to Swiss politics (which you obviously have no idea about and are not interested in, judging by your "MEI" question) in the future.

But but...I pay taxes! I'm an expat, don't you know?