The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[marton]

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	Overwhelmingly rejected. The show goes on...

Now just needs some pooper scooper volunteers who follow up and clean up the streets!!

Couldn't make this up - Brexiters have been moaning the whole time about the EU being a monolith, slow to react and slow to negotiate...Hancock is now saying they can go down the wire on negotiations in March because "The EU can negotiate quickly".

Cluster. Omnishambles. Etc.

[yacek]

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	Maybe that used to be the case, but almost 40% of Brits now speak a second language and this is on the increase. Perhaps Brexit will put a dampener on this, maybe not - Polish is the most commonly spoken 2nd language, however the next 5 are Punjabi, Urdu, Bengali, Gujurati and Arabic which won't be affected by Brexit, of course.

Is it because the natives they learning these foreign languages, or rather because their native speakers happen to have UK passports as well? :-)

[ipoddle]

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	I think TM has done a good job overall and in the circumstances. Good speech for her tonight, and a scathing attack on JC, which was accurate. Let’s see what happens then.

What !! She's had 2 and half years to get an agreement through parliament with a (slender) majority.. and she's been denounced by half of her own party. She wanted, and got the position of PM and she should have controlled 'the circumstances'. How could she have done a worse job ?

My money's on a no deal exit on March 29th.... I'm off to the bookies to check the odds.

[Fish Paste]

	Quote:	ipoddle
	My money's on a no deal exit on March 29th.... I'm off to the bookies to check the odds.

Well I agree with that bit.

The loathsome Leadsom said March 39th - Freudian slip

[3Wishes]

Someone 'splain to me how May has the biggest defeat in UK history, yet is expected to survive a vote of no confidence?

[k_and_e]

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	Someone 'splain to me how May has the biggest defeat in UK history, yet is expected to survive a vote of no confidence?

Probably because everybody was looking forward to reject the deal.

	Quote:	3Wishes
	Someone 'splain to me how May has the biggest defeat in UK history, yet is expected to survive a vote of no confidence?

The people who support her plus the people who want to avoid even more chaos then they already have are expected to have the majority.

	Quote:	3Wishes
	Someone 'splain to me how May has the biggest defeat in UK history, yet is expected to survive a vote of no confidence?

because they just do NOT want the alternative, a GE and Corbyn - although he is such a wet flanel, fence sitting, union man from the 50s - even with this terrible mess and debacle, I don't think he would win. So what then I wouldn't vote for him in a month of blue (ooops) Sundays for sure.

[Sky]

	Quote:	3Wishes
	Someone 'splain to me how May has the biggest defeat in UK history, yet is expected to survive a vote of no confidence?

Today's vote is about May's Brexit deal, not her.
Tomorrow's vote is about her.

Correct?

	Quote:	yacek
	Is it because the natives they learning these foreign languages, or rather because their native speakers happen to have UK passports as well? :-)

I think my breakdown by language probably makes that clear

Polish people coming over for work, learning English, their kids growing up with both and then generations of people from the Indian Subcontinent and their children growing up here with English plus family's former regional language.

[baboon]

	Quote:	ipoddle
	What !! She's had 2 and half years to get an agreement through parliament with a (slender) majority.. and she's been denounced by half of her own party. She wanted, and got the position of PM and she should have controlled 'the circumstances'. How could she have done a worse job ? My money's on a no deal exit on March 29th.... I'm off to the bookies to check the odds.

I wouldn't be so quick with that - likely to be a vote on specifically excluding a no deal Brexit in the next few days. Which would almost certainly pass.

I would bet on an extension of the exit deadline.

[Fish Paste]

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	I wouldn't be so quick with that - likely to be a vote on specifically excluding a no deal Brexit in the next few days. Which would almost certainly pass. I would bet on an extension of the exit deadline.

But they spent 2 years getting this deal.
As she said, there is no other deal.

I’d still say now it’s hard Brexit.
Anything else would introduce just more delay/division and the spectre of JC becoming PM.

Time for her to hold onto her balls and jump.

[marton]

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	But they spent 2 years getting this deal. As she said, there is no other deal. I’d still say now it’s hard Brexit. Anything else would introduce just more delay/division and the spectre of JC becoming PM. Time for her to hold onto her balls and jump.

House of Lords already voted against "no deal" with a large majority so it is difficult to see how May would ever get Parliamentary approval for this?

[ipoddle]

Something has to give

The EU won't budge because if if does it'll make every other anti-EU party in Europe go weak at the knees

The Brexiteers won't budge on the current proposal (The only agreement the EU are going to ratify)

A general election won't happen because there aren't enough suicidal Tory MPs to vote for one

A vote against a no-deal exit is meaningless without a new withdrawal proposal that all the Tories back and the EU agrees.. see above

So it's no-deal exit or another referendum or an extension... or we just cancel our intention to leave 'for the time being'.

My bet is still no-deal exit, but a vote in parliament to hold another referendum on 'do you want a no-deal exit or do you want the UK to renegotiate it's position in the EU ?' would be the best possible outcome.

	Quote:	marton
	House of Lords already voted against "no deal" with a large majority so it is difficult to see how May would ever get Parliamentary approval for this?

Because no deal is the default when nothing can be agreed. The Parliament is only one side of the negotiation.

I think it is inevitable, we'll end up with a no-deal Brexit, which is probably what about 10% of people actually initially wanted. Oh well.

[k_and_e]

	Quote:	marton
	House of Lords already voted against "no deal" with a large majority so it is difficult to see how May would ever get Parliamentary approval for this?

Do you technically need approval for this? "no deal" is what happens if there is no agreement after two years.

The bare-faced confidence that "The EU needs the UK more than the UK needs the EU" is looking a bit optimistic now, doesn't it?