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View Poll Results: What would you personally prefer to happen?
I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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Old 16.01.2019, 10:48
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52 - 48: THE PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN
432 - 202: Have another crack in a few days
The comedy of Brexit.
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Old 16.01.2019, 10:56
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The bare-faced confidence that "The EU needs the UK more than the UK needs the EU" is looking a bit optimistic now, doesn't it?
I expect a no-deal Brexit to prompt a flurry of treaties and agreements with surprising pragmatism from both sides.
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Old 16.01.2019, 10:57
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Something has to give

The EU won't budge because if if does it'll make every other anti-EU party in Europe go weak at the knees

The Brexiteers won't budge on the current proposal (The only agreement the EU are going to ratify)

A general election won't happen because there aren't enough suicidal Tory MPs to vote for one

A vote against a no-deal exit is meaningless without a new withdrawal proposal that all the Tories back and the EU agrees.. see above

So it's no-deal exit or another referendum or an extension... or we just cancel our intention to leave 'for the time being'.

My bet is still no-deal exit, but a vote in parliament to hold another referendum on 'do you want a no-deal exit or do you want the UK to renegotiate it's position in the EU ?' would be the best possible outcome.
They could also have a vote in Parliament on no deal vs no Brexit.

The idea of "the UK to renegotiate it's position in the EU" is not practical, the EU already made clear there will be no renegotiation; of course, some people believe Alice in Wonderland "The only way to achieve the impossible, is to believe it's possible."
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I expect a no-deal Brexit to prompt a flurry of treaties and agreements with surprising pragmatism from both sides.
Pragmatism? From London? Have you been watching the news in the past 18 months?
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Old 16.01.2019, 11:11
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Pragmatism? From London? Have you been watching the news in the past 18 months?
For someone who laments every mention of the UK on EF, I'm surprised you have...
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Old 16.01.2019, 11:12
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Pragmatism? From London? Have you been watching the news in the past 18 months?
When the Brei and Knackwurst run out, they’ll be a bit more pragmatic.
Same when the BMW’s and Audi’s are stuck on trains in France.
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Old 16.01.2019, 11:20
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For someone who laments every mention of the UK on EF, I'm surprised you have...
Lament = "a passionate expression of grief or sorrow"
I do nothing of the sort; to me Brexit is the ultimate entertainment with a sad ending. Just like a good Tarantino movie. It still amazes me how a supposedly smart, pragmatic and developed nation can inflict so much damage on itself without any outside help. Show must go on!
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Old 16.01.2019, 11:26
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I hope the next step will be losing the vote of confidence too and then finally a new referendum will take place. I don't give a shite on what Putina's posters and the useful idiots want and think and post on FB, EF and wherever they see fit to manipulate.
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Old 16.01.2019, 11:44
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I expect ....
I think this is where we essentially differ. We're in completely uncharted waters now, so anything can happen. I have a heap of questions, but will have to wait for the answers, such as...

If Corbyn loses the vote of no confidence in the government tonight, will he / should he have to go?

Also, there's a decent idea for the wording of a 2nd Referendum being bandied about where the ballot paper is still a binary option, but the Leave vote is subdivided into which form of deal you want.
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Old 16.01.2019, 11:50
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I hope the next step will be losing the vote of confidence too and then finally a new referendum will take place. I don't give a shite on what Putina's posters and the useful idiots want and think and post on FB, EF and wherever they see fit to manipulate.

What would you do differently compared to the previous voting and what exactly would you vote about?
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Old 16.01.2019, 12:00
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I think this is where we essentially differ. We're in completely uncharted waters now, so anything can happen. I have a heap of questions, but will have to wait for the answers, such as...

If Corbyn loses the vote of no confidence in the government tonight, will he / should he have to go?

Also, there's a decent idea for the wording of a 2nd Referendum being bandied about where the ballot paper is still a binary option, but the Leave vote is subdivided into which form of deal you want.
Corbyn will lose, or I’ll eat my hat.
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Old 16.01.2019, 12:10
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Absolutely, but it's what happens then?
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Old 16.01.2019, 12:37
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I expect a no-deal Brexit to prompt a flurry of treaties and agreements with surprising pragmatism from both sides.
You got a glimpse of those deals aready. Look up what Trump offered as a UK-USA post-Brexit agreement.
And clearly, those 20 countries that raised objections with the WTO against the UK's fast-track schedule would be anything but easy to negotiate with, USA, China and Russia are among them.

With a no-deal Brexit the UK will NEED fast deals. That means it's in every country's best interest to not hurry, the longer it takes the more concessions they get. You will not like the result.

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Old 16.01.2019, 12:46
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Oh yes, those chlorinated chickens and all. Ken has got it spot on:

https://www.facebook.com/Channel4New...0223638775596/

throwing open our markets, abandon EU Food Standards and Animal Welfare - in return for ?!?
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Old 16.01.2019, 12:53
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Absolutely, but it's what happens then?
Has anyone in the LP been sent out to look for David Miliband? Or Starmer, can he not take over? Can we have a LP coup and a new referendum?

This is going to be a long day.
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Oh yes, those chlorinated chickens and all. Ken has got it spot on:

https://www.facebook.com/Channel4New...0223638775596/

throwing open our markets, abandon EU Food Standards and Animal Welfare - in return for ?!?
Consumers will have a choice what they buy, what is wrong with that or do you believe they are too stupid to make their own choices?
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Absolutely, but it's what happens then?
I have no idea, my intelligence is not high enough, like everyone else on here and every other forum. It's all up in the air.

But there is no more or better deal, the EU have made that clear.

It's farcial when Corbyn says "Move over and let Labour take charge of the negotiations".

Maybe they will abandon Article 50? Who knows? Who cares?

I'll be spraying Cillit Bang on my chicken tonight, as part of my Brexit preparations.
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Consumers will have a choice what they buy, what is wrong with that or do you believe they are too stupid to make their own choices?
Most consumer will buy what ever is cheaper. US chicken can be raised a lot cheaper, thus the need of chlorine washing after slaughtering.
https://theconversation.com/chlorine...n-the-eu-81921
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Consumers will have a choice what they buy, what is wrong with that or do you believe they are too stupid to make their own choices?
You're asking this in the middle of a Brexit thread?
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throwing open our markets, abandon EU Food Standards and Animal Welfare - in return for ?!?
Fast, advantageous bilateral agreements post-Brexit USA-UK style.
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