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I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union
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I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU
|    | 68 | 32.08% |
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK
|    | 22 | 10.38% |
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing
|    | 23 | 10.85% |
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us
|    | 17 | 8.02% |
I don't really care
|    | 33 | 15.57% |  | | | 
16.01.2019, 09:48
| | Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in | Quote: | |  | | | 52 - 48: THE PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN
432 - 202: Have another crack in a few days | | | | | The comedy of Brexit.
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16.01.2019, 09:56
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| | Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in | Quote: |  | | | The bare-faced confidence that "The EU needs the UK more than the UK needs the EU" is looking a bit optimistic now, doesn't it?  | | | | | I expect a no-deal Brexit to prompt a flurry of treaties and agreements with surprising pragmatism from both sides.
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16.01.2019, 09:57
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| | Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in | Quote: | |  | | | Something has to give
The EU won't budge because if if does it'll make every other anti-EU party in Europe go weak at the knees
The Brexiteers won't budge on the current proposal (The only agreement the EU are going to ratify)
A general election won't happen because there aren't enough suicidal Tory MPs to vote for one
A vote against a no-deal exit is meaningless without a new withdrawal proposal that all the Tories back and the EU agrees.. see above
So it's no-deal exit or another referendum or an extension... or we just cancel our intention to leave 'for the time being'.
My bet is still no-deal exit, but a vote in parliament to hold another referendum on 'do you want a no-deal exit or do you want the UK to renegotiate it's position in the EU ?' would be the best possible outcome. | | | | | They could also have a vote in Parliament on no deal vs no Brexit.
The idea of "the UK to renegotiate it's position in the EU" is not practical, the EU already made clear there will be no renegotiation; of course, some people believe Alice in Wonderland "The only way to achieve the impossible, is to believe it's possible."
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16.01.2019, 10:04
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| | Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in | Quote: | |  | | | I expect a no-deal Brexit to prompt a flurry of treaties and agreements with surprising pragmatism from both sides. | | | | | Pragmatism? From London? Have you been watching the news in the past 18 months?
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16.01.2019, 10:11
| | Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in | Quote: | |  | | | Pragmatism? From London? Have you been watching the news in the past 18 months? | | | | | For someone who laments every mention of the UK on EF, I'm surprised you have... | 
16.01.2019, 10:12
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| | Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in | Quote: | |  | | | Pragmatism? From London? Have you been watching the news in the past 18 months? | | | | | When the Brei and Knackwurst run out, theyll be a bit more pragmatic.
Same when the BMWs and Audis are stuck on trains in France.
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16.01.2019, 10:20
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| | Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in | Quote: |  | | | For someone who laments every mention of the UK on EF, I'm surprised you have...  | | | | | Lament = "a passionate expression of grief or sorrow"
I do nothing of the sort; to me Brexit is the ultimate entertainment with a sad ending. Just like a good Tarantino movie. It still amazes me how a supposedly smart, pragmatic and developed nation can inflict so much damage on itself without any outside help. Show must go on!
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16.01.2019, 10:26
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I hope the next step will be losing the vote of confidence too and then finally a new referendum will take place. I don't give a shite on what Putina's posters and the useful idiots want and think and post on FB, EF and wherever they see fit to manipulate.
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16.01.2019, 10:44
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| | Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in | Quote: | |  | | | I expect .... | | | | | I think this is where we essentially differ. We're in completely uncharted waters now, so anything can happen. I have a heap of questions, but will have to wait for the answers, such as...
If Corbyn loses the vote of no confidence in the government tonight, will he / should he have to go?
Also, there's a decent idea for the wording of a 2nd Referendum being bandied about where the ballot paper is still a binary option, but the Leave vote is subdivided into which form of deal you want.
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16.01.2019, 10:50
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| | Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in | Quote: | |  | | | I hope the next step will be losing the vote of confidence too and then finally a new referendum will take place. I don't give a shite on what Putina's posters and the useful idiots want and think and post on FB, EF and wherever they see fit to manipulate. | | | | |
What would you do differently compared to the previous voting and what exactly would you vote about?
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16.01.2019, 11:00
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| | Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in | Quote: | |  | | | I think this is where we essentially differ. We're in completely uncharted waters now, so anything can happen. I have a heap of questions, but will have to wait for the answers, such as...
If Corbyn loses the vote of no confidence in the government tonight, will he / should he have to go?
Also, there's a decent idea for the wording of a 2nd Referendum being bandied about where the ballot paper is still a binary option, but the Leave vote is subdivided into which form of deal you want. | | | | | Corbyn will lose, or Ill eat my hat.
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16.01.2019, 11:10
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Absolutely, but it's what happens then?
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16.01.2019, 11:37
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| | Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in | Quote: | |  | | | I expect a no-deal Brexit to prompt a flurry of treaties and agreements with surprising pragmatism from both sides. | | | | | You got a glimpse of those deals aready. Look up what Trump offered as a UK-USA post-Brexit agreement.
And clearly, those 20 countries that raised objections with the WTO against the UK's fast-track schedule would be anything but easy to negotiate with, USA, China and Russia are among them.
With a no-deal Brexit the UK will NEED fast deals. That means it's in every country's best interest to not hurry, the longer it takes the more concessions they get. You will not like the result.
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16.01.2019, 11:46
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Oh yes, those chlorinated chickens and all. Ken has got it spot on: https://www.facebook.com/Channel4New...0223638775596/
throwing open our markets, abandon EU Food Standards and Animal Welfare - in return for ?!?
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16.01.2019, 11:53
| | Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in | Quote: | |  | | | Absolutely, but it's what happens then? | | | | | Has anyone in the LP been sent out to look for David Miliband? Or Starmer, can he not take over? Can we have a LP coup and a new referendum?
This is going to be a long day.
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16.01.2019, 11:54
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| | Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in | Quote: |  | | | | | | | | Consumers will have a choice what they buy, what is wrong with that or do you believe they are too stupid to make their own choices?
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16.01.2019, 12:04
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| | Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in | Quote: | |  | | | Absolutely, but it's what happens then? | | | | | I have no idea, my intelligence is not high enough, like everyone else on here and every other forum. It's all up in the air.
But there is no more or better deal, the EU have made that clear.
It's farcial when Corbyn says "Move over and let Labour take charge of the negotiations".
Maybe they will abandon Article 50? Who knows? Who cares?
I'll be spraying Cillit Bang on my chicken tonight, as part of my Brexit preparations.
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16.01.2019, 12:09
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| | Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in | Quote: | |  | | | Consumers will have a choice what they buy, what is wrong with that or do you believe they are too stupid to make their own choices? | | | | | Most consumer will buy what ever is cheaper. US chicken can be raised a lot cheaper, thus the need of chlorine washing after slaughtering. https://theconversation.com/chlorine...n-the-eu-81921 | 
16.01.2019, 12:10
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throwing open our markets, abandon EU Food Standards and Animal Welfare - in return for ?!?
| | | | | Fast, advantageous bilateral agreements post-Brexit USA-UK style.
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