The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[st2lemans]

Tom

[StirB]

	Quote:	Odile
	And Corbyn finally comes off the bl**dy fence and calls for vote in Commons on Second Referendum (well, I'd say the first informed Referendum). At last.

This will be the making or breaking of him politically - we shall see, but I suspect he'll get battered into submission by the tabs.

[Today only]

Lets already plan the third referendum.....

[Clocker]

	Quote:	Today only
	Lets already plan the third referendum.....

Exactly. If there's a second and the vote is to 'remain', then it's basically 1-1 and there needs to be a third to decide which it really is surely?

[StirB]

	Quote:	Clocker
	Exactly. If there's a second and the vote is to 'remain', then it's basically 1-1 and there needs to be a third to decide which it really is surely?

If something materially changed after the second vote, sure.

[Sandgrounder]

	Quote:	Clocker
	Exactly. If there's a second and the vote is to 'remain', then it's basically 1-1 and there needs to be a third to decide which it really is surely?

It would have to be a different referendum which acknowledges the first result. There has long been a campaign for a Peoples Vote which would give input on how the UK leaves the EU.

Here I think they should ask the question of whether a No Deal Brexit is a yes or a no because this would have a more substantial result, and would force a more sensible set of conditions.

[k_and_e]

	Quote:	Sandgrounder
	It would have to be a different referendum which acknowledges the first result. There has long been a campaign for a Peoples Vote which would give input on how the UK leaves the EU. Here I think they should ask the question of whether a No Deal Brexit is a yes or a no because this would have a more substantial result, and would force a more sensible set of conditions.

I would propose the following question: shall we ignore the Brexit vote because only idiots that can be easily influenced wanted it (yes/no).

[Sandgrounder]

	Quote:	k_and_e
	I would propose the following question: shall we ignore the Brexit vote because only idiots that can be easily influenced wanted it (yes/no).

Err.. yeah whatever.

The point is that "Brexit" was an ill-defined concept from the outset. Yes there were the hardline people who just wanted to sever all ties with the EU but others wanted to restrict the influence of the EU in the UK but didn't necessarily want to screw up trade or employment or their worry-free trip to Benidorm every July.

Not so much idiots voting but more idiotic campaigning.

This has been covered ad nauseum in the thread so if it's not been understood thus far then someone else can resort to painting easy-to-follow pictures.

[bigblue2]

the only way people are going to learn to be a bit more careful and use their vote wisely in future is if they suffer some pain when things go titsup, so no 2nd , get out of jail free, vote. Leave and suffer the consequences.

We vote in a whole shower of shit self serving morons into government who are all way too busy stabbing each other in the back, We voted in a leader of the opposition who is just so bad words fail me, and to top it all off we voted leave in the hope this bunch of clowns would be able to sort it out, we're getting exactly what we deserve.

[StirB]

	Quote:	bigblue2
	the only way people are going to learn to be a bit more careful and use their vote wisely in future is if they suffer some pain when things go titsup, so no 2nd , get out of jail free, vote. Leave and suffer the consequences.

So you punish everyone?

[bigblue2]

	Quote:	StirB
	So you punish everyone?

yep thats how a democracy works, if everyone who didn't vote had voted remain, guess what.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	StirB
	If something materially changed after the second vote, sure.

Precisely.

1st referendum - on the notion of EU membership
2nd referendum - informed decision including the option of an actual proposed deal.
3rd refendum - for the sake of it or sheer bloody mindedness?

And for anyone condemning MPs who want a second vote or are ardent remainers, thank god they're actually representing their constituents regardless of the negative impact it may have upon their careers.

For anyone who missed the interview with Jacinda Ardern yesterday, which was on the whole very positive about a future trade deal between the UK and NZ, she still had this to say...

	Quote:
	Asked about the consequences for New Zealand of Britain leaving the EU without a withdrawal agreement, Ms Ardern said it would "impact on just about everybody... in particular, small business"."A no-deal scenario would be very, very difficult," she said.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-46946692


When are people going to actually take heed of the IMF and World leaders who have clearly stated that 'no deal' would be a problem?



Just for anyone who relates the Leave scenario to a divorce, there is a period of time between the beginning of proceedings and the completion of the financial settlement, when both parties credit rating is decimated. Regardless of their financial acumen, their status makes them too much of a risk.

[Sandgrounder]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	When are people going to actually take heed of the IMF and World leaders who have clearly stated that 'no deal' would be a problem?

"Pah, what do they know? Bloke down the pub says they're just scaremongering, which must be true because they also say it on Facebook on those pages with the profile picture of St George holding a sword, so they must know what they're on about."

	Quote:	Sandgrounder
	"Pah, what do they know? Bloke down the pub says they're just scaremongering, which must be true because they also say it on Facebook on those pages with the profile picture of St George holding a sword, so they must know what they're on about."

What do they know? The financial crash 10 years ago proved that they know fook all, which is why people don't pay attention to them anymore.

[Blueangel]

And so it begins...

	Quote:
	UK in Belgium127468;127463;127463;127466;8207;Verified account @UKinBelgium Holders of UK driving licences in Belgium should exchange their UK licences for a Belgian one before 29 March 2019. If the UK leaves the EU without a deal on 29 March 2019, you'll not be able to exchange your licence without taking a driving test. Info: https://www.gov.uk/driving-abroad 2:50 AM - 21 Jan 2019

https://twitter.com/UKinBelgium/stat...01459593576449

[Sandgrounder]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	What do they know? The financial crash 10 years ago proved that they know fook all, which is why people don't pay attention to them anymore.

Yeah, but look at the "credentials" of the people that DO garner attention, though. Blows a hole in the argument that the IMF doesn't know what it's talking about.

[bigblue2]

these kind of arguments are very frustrating, somehow trying to debunk the experts, being in IT I quite often hear people try to justify experts don't know anything by comparing it to the millennium bug, nothing happened then did it?? was all just scaremongering, didn't know what they where talking about etc etc etc

Well, that's because 10's of thousands of people like me worked our butts off making sure things didn't happen.

Maybe, just maybe some of them do / did know what they where on about and people in the background worked their arses off too to avoid that worst case scenario

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	What do they know? The financial crash 10 years ago proved that they know fook all, which is why people don't pay attention to them anymore.

How do you work that out?

I love it when people who were little more than sprogs at the time, blame the financial crash on the British government. Sept 15, 2007, I was on a work trip to Newcastle and had to change trains in Carlisle. I saw a queue of well over 100 people snaking down the street from the door of Northern Rock. The exposure to the US subprime mortgage crisis had reached the UK.

But hey....don't let facts influence your thinking. Don't realise that the financial crisis was caused by unscrupulous bankers selling unicorn shite. Don't wake up and realise that Brexit is Robert Mercer and Aaron Banks selling unicorn shite. Don't question what they have to gain by all this.

	Quote:	Blueangel
	How do you work that out? I love it when people who were little more than sprogs at the time, blame the financial crash on the British government. Sept 15, 2007, I was on a work trip to Newcastle and had to change trains in Carlisle. I saw a queue of well over 100 people snaking down the street from the door of Northern Rock. The exposure to the US subprime mortgage crisis had reached the UK. But hey....don't let facts influence your thinking. Don't realise that the financial crisis was caused by unscrupulous bankers selling unicorn shite. Don't wake up and realise that Brexit is Robert Mercer and Aaron Banks selling unicorn shite. Don't question what they have to gain by all this.

Who's blamed the British government? Before the 2008 crash people were reasonably prepared to listen to the government, business leaders and financial institutions. The crash changed all that as people realised that these people by and large don't actually know what they are talking about so there is little need to be deferential towards them.

[baboon]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	What do they know? The financial crash 10 years ago proved that they know fook all, which is why people don't pay attention to them anymore.

Oh plenty did predict it. Unfortunately the politicians and the masses didn't want to listen, See here for example
https://www.businesstoday.in/top-sto...ry/283071.html

For those that could bother to keep up it was pretty obvious from later 2006/early 2007 what was coming.