The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH - Page 840

Blueangel · #**16781** 25.01.2019, 09:12

Sorry, but that doesn't answer the question. Please don't think I'm forcing you to answer, it's just that I've never seen a deal that's better than what we currently have.

StirB · #**16782** 25.01.2019, 09:21

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	What do you mean they are tied to the UK?

Whoosh!

marton · #**16783** 25.01.2019, 10:19

	Quote:	k_and_e
	Article 50 defines the 2 year term, not Theresa May. Also, I believe that the proposed deal between UK and EU was the best result that could be achieved at that point in time. The EU's intention was to make it unattractive for a country to leave but I don't believe that anybody realistic in the EU ever expected this deal to be signed by the UK as it isn't exactly a good deal. I'm not sure if May did well but at least she has bigger balls than the undemocratic Cameron, who poorly organized a referendum, refused to implement a deal and ran off with his tail between his legs.

"The EU's intention" people keep personifying the EU like it is some sort single entity with a defined strategy.
In reality it is a group of 27 countries who all have to agree to any deal despite having different agendas and different priorities so the deal contains multiple compromises!

The UK and many UK people fell into the trap of personifying the EU which is a major reason for the mess we are in now. If the UK had had a strategy of cosying up to the other major countries to mutually reach their objectives then it would have been a different story.

k_and_e · #**16784** 25.01.2019, 10:30

	Quote:	marton
	"The EU's intention" people keep personifying the EU like it is some sort single entity with a defined strategy. In reality it is a group of 27 countries who all have to agree to any deal despite having different agendas and different priorities so the deal contains multiple compromises! The UK and many UK people fell into the trap of personifying the EU which is a major reason for the mess we are in now. If the UK had had a strategy of cosying up to the other major countries to mutually reach their objectives then it would have been a different story.

The countries have to agree but it is definitely the EU that is negotiating. Also, there is no deal with individual countries but a deal with the EU.

Swisstree · #**16785** 25.01.2019, 10:39

	Quote:	Blueangel
	Sorry, but that doesn't answer the question. Please don't think I'm forcing you to answer, it's just that I've never seen a deal that's better than what we currently have.

There isn't a better deal than the one we have now, and everyone knows it!

At this stage there is no Brexit without a deal, so we limp out licking our wounds with a crappy deal? Amber Rudd and Hammond are unhappy this morning. May can not hold the tories together and God only knows what Corbyn is doing.

There are no words left to describe this never-ending debacle.

Fish Paste · #**16786** 25.01.2019, 10:48

	Quote:	Swisstree
	There isn't a better deal than the one we have now, and everyone knows it! There are no words left to describe this never-ending debacle.

Shitstorm. There you go.

#**16787** 25.01.2019, 10:50

	Quote:	Blueangel
	What do you believe a good deal would consist of?

Allow me to help.

There isn't a deal, there never was a "deal" and there never will be.

The EU doesn't doesn't negotiate, it just dictates. This is the reason the UK had a referendum in the first place.

It's also why the UK will be leaving in the two months time with no deal.

Spinal · #**16788** 25.01.2019, 10:52

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Allow me to help. There isn't a deal, there never was a "deal" and there never will be. The EU doesn't doesn't negotiate, it just dictates. This is the reason the UK had a referendum in the first place. It's also why the UK will be leaving in the two months time with no deal.

The EU is comprised of member states. When you say that it dictates, large part of the rules were made BY the UK...

#**16789** 25.01.2019, 11:03

	Quote:	Spinal
	The EU is comprised of member states. When you say that it dictates, large part of the rules were made BY the UK...

Yes, it dictates.

Greece - "you have to impose austerity"
Italy - "you cannot approve that budget"
Poland - "you cannot have that judiciary"
Everyone - "you have to accept these migrants"

Blueangel · #**16790** 25.01.2019, 11:03

	Quote:	Swisstree
	May can not hold the tories together and God only knows what Corbyn is doing.

Corbyn the chocolate teapot is in his garden shed trying to perfect a yoga pose that will allow him to suck his own spout whilst simultaneously snorting quinoa. In the meantime, the 1922 Committee have all been scribbling their names at the bottom of the Murrison/Brady amendment to be tabled next week, and the ERG are still proposing ridiculous shite to the EU.

Little general knowledge question for my fellow Brits. How do you find out if your MP is a member of the ERG?

Odile · #**16791** 25.01.2019, 11:22

Plenty of lists around- Google is your friend:

so, is s/he?:

https://www.buzzfeed.com/alexspence/...d-brexit-group

Blueangel · #**16792** 25.01.2019, 11:35

	Quote:	Odile
	Plenty of lists around- Google is your friend:

From your link...

	Quote:
	The list is not definitive. Pinpointing the ERG's membership precisely is difficult, even with access to inside information, because of the group’s informal structure and varying interpretations of what level of participation constitutes membership. Some active participants disputed they are members because they do not formally subscribe to the ERG’s research.

Odile · #**16793** 25.01.2019, 11:51

OK- from the list is s/he on?

It does smack of Freemasonry for sure.

Blueangel · #**16794** 25.01.2019, 12:03

	Quote:	Odile
	OK- from the list is s/he on? It does smack of Freemasonry for sure.

I know that there is no complete and absolutely accurate list of the ERG membership in the public domain. My question was directed towards other people who see the ERG referred to a lot in the media, but may not realise this.

Fish Paste · #**16795** 25.01.2019, 13:52

At least we are all united on our opinions of Corbyn.

Sandgrounder · #**16796** 25.01.2019, 13:58

	Quote:	Fish Paste
	At least we are all united on our opinions of Corbyn.

Queenie says we have to find some common ground, so we have.

Plus she probably thinks he's a melt, too.

Odile · #**16797** 25.01.2019, 14:30

This guy has 'no answer to that' - this is mind blowingly stupid:

https://www.facebook.com/20679409666...7874139559731/

Blueangel · #**16798** 25.01.2019, 15:21

That's James Delingpole of Breitbart. Enough said.

Odile · #**16799** 25.01.2019, 16:57

Andrew Neil is not always a friend of the remain cause- but he pulverised that stupid man. And yet, they continue to spout, WTO rules, no problem- even here on EF, again and again. Do they actually understand what it means, or ...?!?!

Oh and here are a few silly maps for a giggle - you have to try and laugh or else ....

https://inktank.fi/12-fun-maps-that-...HOT5nyiZ3cxLJQ

Blueangel · #**16800** 25.01.2019, 23:41

Time for a little weekend light entertainment. Beautiful piece of trolling from James O'Brien here, which makes more sense if you read the full twitter post then click on the 'superships' link.

	Quote:
	James O'Brien‏Verified account @mrjamesob In the light of these developments, my colleagues & I will next week insist that Chris Grayling redirect the £14 million to http://superships.co.uk immediately.

6:33 AM - 25 Jan 2019

And for a more shocking piece, this little video of Mark Gino Francois, vice chair of the ERG being an arrogant little prig. I can only wonder what the Italian side of his family have to say about his little tantrum.

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-polit...erman-bullying