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View Poll Results: What would you personally prefer to happen?
I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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Old 28.01.2019, 15:10
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and try to understand why people vote for Orban .
is that so difficult to understand?

You may have forgotten what the other lot did when they were in power.

Many people haven't.





As long as the old guard in Europe continue to generate excuses for this type of thing rather than turning around and condemning it, they are not going to gain much credibility.

And as long as the governments of France, Germany etc refuse to condemn it, that can be understood as meaning, that they cannot rule out doing the same to their own people.

A bit like what is happening in France right now?
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Old 28.01.2019, 15:10
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Oh, now now Tom - you strike me as a man who likes to get the budgy-smugglers on and head down to a nice clean sea for a bit of a paddle.

The EU is at the forefront of environmental legislation, so whilst you might feel they've never done anything directly for you, i'm sure you've derived plenty of indirect benefits.
ah you've seen his facebook posts too then
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Old 28.01.2019, 15:14
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ah you've seen his facebook posts too then
Play nice, or I'LL strike back.

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Old 28.01.2019, 15:15
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Old 28.01.2019, 15:16
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first of all it appealed to Germans because some of them never accepted the WWI outcome, considering they suffered a great injustice.
And what great injustice was that (beyond the one in their minds)?

At least they got to keep their country, unlike Austria.

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germany being bankrupted by having to pay reparations for ww1 ?

Not really relevant to brexit unless I'm missing something
The crash was the catalyst, the cause goes back much further than that. Germany was, and still isn't what you consider a country that evolved naturally. It was created basically by force by the Prussians in 1871. This led to a country with deep cultural and religious divides which resulted eventually in the Nazis coming to power in the 1930s.

I wonder where else we see an unnatural superstate being created by force (albeit political and economic rather than physical) People don't tend to dig this sort of thing.
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Old 28.01.2019, 15:23
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The crash was the catalyst, the cause goes back much further than that. Germany was, and still isn't what you consider a country that evolved naturally. It was created basically by force by the Prussians in 1871. This led to a country with deep cultural and religious divides which resulted eventually in the Nazis coming to power in the 1930s.

I wonder where else we see an unnatural superstate being created by force (albeit political and economic rather than physical) People don't tend to dig this sort of thing.
Don't countries need to APPLY and meet certain criteria if they want to join the EU? Hardly comparable with a drama-llama Nazi super-plan to invade, conquer and force acquiescence. If a country doesn't want in (like, err.. Switzerland, Norway or even Iceland) they don't have to.
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Old 28.01.2019, 15:25
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The crash was the catalyst, the cause goes back much further than that. Germany was, and still isn't what you consider a country that evolved naturally. It was created basically by force by the Prussians in 1871. This led to a country with deep cultural and religious divides which resulted eventually in the Nazis coming to power in the 1930s.

I wonder where else we see an unnatural superstate being created by force (albeit political and economic rather than physical) People don't tend to dig this sort of thing.
It was actually Hitler who took the project of a German superstate to its conclusion. Prior to Hitler, for example, there was no such thing as a proper German citizenship and for the most part, people were still citizens of their respective states.

What a pity that after Hitler was defeated that they didn't annul that legislation.
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Old 28.01.2019, 15:27
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Don't countries need to APPLY and meet certain criteria if they want to join the EU? Hardly comparable with a drama-llama Nazi super-plan to invade, conquer and force acquiescence. If a country doesn't want in (like, err.. Switzerland, Norway or even Iceland) they don't have to.

Si if Hitler had used peaceful means, that would have been OK?
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Old 28.01.2019, 15:33
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So you don't believe that countries will take advantage of the UK's need to sign some trade deals fast to get concessions that normally the UK wouldn't agree to?

Yep, beggars and choosers ...
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Old 28.01.2019, 15:33
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??? what an odd post, if he'd used peaceful means then no war, no death camps , no crimes against humanity, so sounds ok to me
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Old 28.01.2019, 15:35
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Don't countries need to APPLY and meet certain criteria if they want to join the EU? Hardly comparable with a drama-llama Nazi super-plan to invade, conquer and force acquiescence. If a country doesn't want in (like, err.. Switzerland, Norway or even Iceland) they don't have to.

And what if that country wants to leave?
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Old 28.01.2019, 15:39
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And what if that country wants to leave?
As far as the EU is concerned, they can leave. No strings attached. It's only when they want strings that it gets complicated.
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??? what an odd post, if he'd used peaceful means then no war, no death camps , no crimes against humanity, so sounds ok to me
The madness of Brexit plumbs new depths...
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Old 28.01.2019, 15:49
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it was very much the chewbacca defense, say something totally stupid just to confuse people. much like the brexit campaign lol
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??? what an odd post, if he'd used peaceful means then no war, no death camps , no crimes against humanity, so sounds ok to me
So in other words, you'd be Ok with living in an absolutist dictatorship as long as it was built by stealth and not by military might.
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So in other words, you'd be Ok with living in an absolutist dictatorship as long as it was built by stealth and not by military might.
you can't create an absolutist dictatorship using peaceful means, not even on Endor
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you can't create an absolutist dictatorship using peaceful means, not even on Endor
Surely if the Gov fits, you must submit?
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I wonder where else we see an unnatural superstate being created by force (albeit political and economic rather than physical) People don't tend to dig this sort of thing.
Italy.

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