The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[amogles]

	Quote:	k_and_e
	and try to understand why people vote for Orban .

is that so difficult to understand?

You may have forgotten what the other lot did when they were in power.

Many people haven't.





As long as the old guard in Europe continue to generate excuses for this type of thing rather than turning around and condemning it, they are not going to gain much credibility.

And as long as the governments of France, Germany etc refuse to condemn it, that can be understood as meaning, that they cannot rule out doing the same to their own people.

A bit like what is happening in France right now?

[bigblue2]

	Quote:
	Oh, now now Tom - you strike me as a man who likes to get the budgy-smugglers on and head down to a nice clean sea for a bit of a paddle. The EU is at the forefront of environmental legislation, so whilst you might feel they've never done anything directly for you, i'm sure you've derived plenty of indirect benefits.

ah you've seen his facebook posts too then

[st2lemans]

	Quote:	bigblue2
	ah you've seen his facebook posts too then

Play nice, or I'LL strike back.

Tom

[bigblue2]

	Quote:	st2lemans
	Play nice, or I'LL strike back. Tom

careful, nerds are everywhere, EVERYWHERE !!!

[st2lemans]

	Quote:	greenmount
	first of all it appealed to Germans because some of them never accepted the WWI outcome, considering they suffered a great injustice.

And what great injustice was that (beyond the one in their minds)?

At least they got to keep their country, unlike Austria.

Tom

	Quote:	bigblue2
	germany being bankrupted by having to pay reparations for ww1 ? Not really relevant to brexit unless I'm missing something

The crash was the catalyst, the cause goes back much further than that. Germany was, and still isn't what you consider a country that evolved naturally. It was created basically by force by the Prussians in 1871. This led to a country with deep cultural and religious divides which resulted eventually in the Nazis coming to power in the 1930s.

I wonder where else we see an unnatural superstate being created by force (albeit political and economic rather than physical) People don't tend to dig this sort of thing.

[greenmount]

	Quote:	st2lemans
	Play nice, or I'LL strike back. Tom

Come down, CH is not part of EU (yet) and the America will be great again.....

	Quote:	Loz1983
	The crash was the catalyst, the cause goes back much further than that. Germany was, and still isn't what you consider a country that evolved naturally. It was created basically by force by the Prussians in 1871. This led to a country with deep cultural and religious divides which resulted eventually in the Nazis coming to power in the 1930s. I wonder where else we see an unnatural superstate being created by force (albeit political and economic rather than physical) People don't tend to dig this sort of thing.

Don't countries need to APPLY and meet certain criteria if they want to join the EU? Hardly comparable with a drama-llama Nazi super-plan to invade, conquer and force acquiescence. If a country doesn't want in (like, err.. Switzerland, Norway or even Iceland) they don't have to.

[amogles]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	The crash was the catalyst, the cause goes back much further than that. Germany was, and still isn't what you consider a country that evolved naturally. It was created basically by force by the Prussians in 1871. This led to a country with deep cultural and religious divides which resulted eventually in the Nazis coming to power in the 1930s. I wonder where else we see an unnatural superstate being created by force (albeit political and economic rather than physical) People don't tend to dig this sort of thing.

It was actually Hitler who took the project of a German superstate to its conclusion. Prior to Hitler, for example, there was no such thing as a proper German citizenship and for the most part, people were still citizens of their respective states.

What a pity that after Hitler was defeated that they didn't annul that legislation.

[amogles]

	Quote:
	Don't countries need to APPLY and meet certain criteria if they want to join the EU? Hardly comparable with a drama-llama Nazi super-plan to invade, conquer and force acquiescence. If a country doesn't want in (like, err.. Switzerland, Norway or even Iceland) they don't have to.

Si if Hitler had used peaceful means, that would have been OK?

	Quote:	lewton
	So you don't believe that countries will take advantage of the UK's need to sign some trade deals fast to get concessions that normally the UK wouldn't agree to?

Yep, beggars and choosers ...

[bigblue2]

??? what an odd post, if he'd used peaceful means then no war, no death camps , no crimes against humanity, so sounds ok to me

[k_and_e]

	Quote:
	Don't countries need to APPLY and meet certain criteria if they want to join the EU? Hardly comparable with a drama-llama Nazi super-plan to invade, conquer and force acquiescence. If a country doesn't want in (like, err.. Switzerland, Norway or even Iceland) they don't have to.

And what if that country wants to leave?

	Quote:	k_and_e
	And what if that country wants to leave?

As far as the EU is concerned, they can leave. No strings attached. It's only when they want strings that it gets complicated.

	Quote:	amogles
	Si if Hitler had used peaceful means, that would have been OK?

	Quote:	bigblue2
	??? what an odd post, if he'd used peaceful means then no war, no death camps , no crimes against humanity, so sounds ok to me

The madness of Brexit plumbs new depths...

[bigblue2]

it was very much the chewbacca defense, say something totally stupid just to confuse people. much like the brexit campaign lol

[amogles]

	Quote:	bigblue2
	??? what an odd post, if he'd used peaceful means then no war, no death camps , no crimes against humanity, so sounds ok to me

So in other words, you'd be Ok with living in an absolutist dictatorship as long as it was built by stealth and not by military might.

[bigblue2]

	Quote:	amogles
	So in other words, you'd be Ok with living in an absolutist dictatorship as long as it was built by stealth and not by military might.

you can't create an absolutist dictatorship using peaceful means, not even on Endor

	Quote:	bigblue2
	you can't create an absolutist dictatorship using peaceful means, not even on Endor

Surely if the Gov fits, you must submit?

[st2lemans]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	I wonder where else we see an unnatural superstate being created by force (albeit political and economic rather than physical) People don't tend to dig this sort of thing.

Italy.

Tom