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View Poll Results: What would you personally prefer to happen?
I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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Old 29.01.2019, 14:42
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Firstly, the media isn't taking control of the population. Secondly, if it is, what's your solution? Controlling the media is just a step away from burning books. If you dispute this, have a look at this list and see which countries have the more authoritarian regimes.
I see your beloved USA scores pretty poorly on that list. As do most of the Visegrad 4.
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Old 29.01.2019, 14:43
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But..'are you sure you understand well the term "blame" '? Lol. Or, 'have you actually read the last few pages'?

There are ways to dumb down the debate so much that there is literally virtually no space for any exchange of opinions. Hostility and witch-hunts are some of them.

The planet is going to the dogs, period. Powergames over who's the assigned culprit are completely inefficient and unconstructive, especially when those aren't the real culprits. Business is. Media do what any other business does - sell. Unless you lose customers, you keep selling. Try working with customers' choices instead of outraging over the assigned culprits.

This "let's work together" slogan of the populists might appeal more and more to customers. Helped the Brexit..Trump, etc. It may actually not be just populistic manipulation but actual plan to work together.
Seriously, where the hell do you get this random guff from? It's truly fascinating to read how far down the rails of confused opinion these rambling posts go.

"Try working with customers' choices instead of outraging over the assigned culprits." WTAF??
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Old 29.01.2019, 14:48
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Ouch, that must hurt: your favourite object of scorn, Australia (19), ranked by RSF way above the UK (40) for press freedom. But at least you can take comfort in the fact that the British government really knows what it's doing, and tells you so via the media.
Some solid Aussie opinion here:

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Old 29.01.2019, 14:49
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Ouch, that must hurt: your favourite object of scorn, Australia (19), ranked by RSF way above the UK (40) for press freedom. But at least you can take comfort in the fact that the British government really knows what it's doing, and tells you so via the media.
The irony being that it is an Australian who tells the politicians and people in the UK what to think.
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Old 29.01.2019, 14:54
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I see your beloved USA scores pretty poorly on that list. As do most of the Visegrad 4.
The USA is less than 0.5 below the UK.
And I don't love the USA, I just don't hate it like many of the people on here do. In fact, anti-Americanism is the shared driving force behind much of the western EU states. Yet something else that the UK doesn't have in common.
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Old 29.01.2019, 14:55
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The irony being that it is an Australian who tells the politicians and people in the UK what to think.
Actually, he's American now, and they're welcome to him. Maybe that's why the UK is sliding inexorably USAwards when it comes to press freedom.
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Old 29.01.2019, 14:57
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Actually, he's American now, and they're welcome to him. Maybe that's why the UK is sliding inexorably USAwards when it comes to press freedom.
To borrow a phrase from the immortal Tom Lehrer, he's a man whose allegiance is ruled by expedience.

Loz's video has a sinister feeling, like Rupe's locked the anchor's kids in an unmarked basement, and will only let them out if she pipes his nonsense.
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Old 29.01.2019, 15:02
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The USA is less than 0.5 below the UK.
I don't think that makes it any better.

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And I don't love the USA, I just don't hate it like many of the people on here do. In fact, anti-Americanism is the shared driving force behind much of the western EU states. Yet something else that the UK doesn't have in common.
I really don't think there is significant American hate on here, nor do I think there is much difference between the UK and the rest of Western Europe on this issue. There is a huge difference between being anti-American and hating the current regime you know....
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Old 29.01.2019, 15:08
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Some solid Aussie opinion here:

You've posted a clip of a right-wing TV presenter espousing a view that is contrary to that of the Australian government, offering nonsensical opinions on the right way forward for the UK ("free movement of people earning high salaries, but not for those seeking welfare!") that she expects to be reciprocated by the EU—again, without the backing of the Australian government. So this is a person stating her own dissenting, unqualified and implementable ideas about Brexit, on national TV, without any intervention by the government (or anybody else).

Remind me, how does this support your view that Australia has less press freedom than the UK? Or did you just decide to post random, irrelevant garbage again?

Australia 12, Loz 0, and it's not even half time yet.
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Old 29.01.2019, 15:10
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Brexit: Theresa May will ask the EU to reopen Brexit deal
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Old 29.01.2019, 15:28
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Some solid Aussie opinion here:

LOL remind me again, who owns sky news australia ?
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Old 29.01.2019, 15:33
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LOL remind me again, who owns sky news australia ?
An American. Not the Australian government!
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Old 29.01.2019, 15:35
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British retirees in EU will lose free healthcare under no-deal Brexit
Burden on NHS could increase after 29 March as pensioners return to UK for treatment

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Now I know many of you have little time for Peston, but this has me wondering whether to laugh or cry...

Peston: The amazing thing, which I have only just been told, is @theresa_may appeared to change her mind from not formally backing the Brady amendment to announcing she would so in the 22 meeting last night, after hearing Tory MPs urging her to do so. “The Cabinet looked stunned” said one MP. “Honestly it was like sitting through an episode of the office with the PM played by Ricky Gervais. Except this isn’t ‘The Office’ it’s the government”.

Heidi Allen, Conservative MP for South Cambridgeshire:
Replying to @Peston @Puffles2010 @theresa_may
True

https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1090205861119692800

I've decided to laugh seeing as the PM has been copied into Heidi Allen's reply alongside 'Puffles2010'
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Old 29.01.2019, 16:42
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According to German news today, GB's "plan" (ROFL) in case of no agreement by end of February could be sending Mrs. May back to Brussels for renegotiations.

Renegotiation is the only.thing.not.on.offer. Why am I not surprised that GB is aiming for that?!

Unless EU takes pitty on this country, which handles politics like a 4th or 5th world country (yep the type we didn't realize exists), that means Mrs. May will have to go to Brussels, get her "no renegotiations" reply, return to GB and be blamed! The lady must either have nerves of steal or be very, very patriotic to put up with all this. I'd admire her for the first but not for the latter.
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Old 29.01.2019, 16:54
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According to German news today, GB's "plan" (ROFL) in case of no agreement by end of February could be sending Mrs. May back to Brussels for renegotiations.

Renegotiation is the only.thing.not.on.offer. Why am I not surprised that GB is aiming for that?!

Unless EU takes pitty on this country, which handles politics like a 4th or 5th world country (yep the type we didn't realize exists), that means Mrs. May will have to go to Brussels, get her "no renegotiations" reply, return to GB and be blamed! The lady must either have nerves of steal or be very, very patriotic to put up with all this. I'd admire her for the first but not for the latter.
My prediction is that at some point she will ask the EU for an extension, and (assuming they agree) things will muddle on until such a time as she loses a vote of confidence. A new leader will come in (be that Labour or Tory) and hopefully a change of strategy.

With EU elections coming up in May and Juncker set to retire, there may well be some changes in strategy on the EU side too.
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My prediction is that at some point she will ask the EU for an extension, and (assuming they agree) things will muddle on until such a time as she loses a vote of confidence. A new leader will come in (be that Labour or Tory) and hopefully a change of strategy.

With EU elections coming up in May and Juncker set to retire, there may well be some changes in strategy on the EU side too.
they can't call a vote of no confidence in her for another year
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Just heard on British Pathé News that Jacob Rees-Mogg would warm to a future Brexit deal, if it included the Brady amendment of 'alternative arrangements' instead of the backstop over the Irish border issue.
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they can't call a vote of no confidence in her for another year
Can it be called for the government, though? They just had one but is there also a minimum lapse before it can be called again?
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For the government they can have votes of confidence every day if they want. For the Tory party leadership it’s once a year.
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