The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[Urs Max]

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	I really don't think there is significant American hate on here, nor do I think there is much difference between the UK and the rest of Western Europe on this issue. There is a huge difference between being anti-American and hating the current regime you know....

... or criticizing their foreign policy and permanent warring.

That said, these days people don't like or dislike, they love or hate. There are no more moderate positions, only extreme ones (including this statement).

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	You've posted a clip of a right-wing TV presenter espousing a view that is contrary to that of the current Australian government, offering nonsensical opinions on the right way forward for the UK ("free movement of people earning high salaries, but not for those seeking welfare!") that she expects to be reciprocated by the EU—again, without the backing of the current Australian government. So this is a person stating her own dissenting, unqualified and implementable ideas about Brexit, on national TV, without any intervention by the government (or anybody else). Remind me, how does this support your view that Australia has less press freedom than the UK? Or did you just decide to post random, irrelevant garbage again? Australia 12, Loz 0, and it's not even half time yet.

Where did I say Australia has less press freedom than the UK? Are you making stuff up again? Or are you talking to someone else? Weird.

Anyway, I've fixed your post for you. Previous Australian leaders have a far more positive view on Brexit.

	Quote:	amogles
	there may well be some changes in strategy on the EU side too.

There won't be, because it's the EU. Prepare for No Deal Brexit folks!

	Quote:	Urs Max
	... or criticizing their foreign policy and permanent warring. That said, these days people don't like or dislike, they love or hate. There are no more moderate positions, only extreme ones (including this statement).

I'm not so sure. People can just be over sensitive or try to use extreme language for no real reason. A recent example on here was where I pointed out that the media could take the initiative to tone down the hate, and fact-free narrative they are churning out to garner clicks and shares. Loz took this to mean that I was advocating an authoritarian, book-burning dystopia.

I think the way things are these days, it appears it's now acceptable to sort of "hystericalise", for want of a better word, someone else's point to make your own point more valid-sounding.

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	I'm not so sure. People can just be over sensitive or try to use extreme language for no real reason. A recent example on here was where I pointed out that the media could take the initiative to tone down the hate, and fact-free narrative they are churning out to garner clicks and shares. Loz took this to mean that I was advocating an authoritarian, book-burning dystopia. I think the way things are these days, it appears it's now acceptable to sort of "hystericalise", for want of a better word, someone else's point to make your own point more valid-sounding.

Yeah, I didn’t say that, it’s just how you chose to interpret it.

[greenmount]

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	I'm not so sure. People can just be over sensitive or try to use extreme language for no real reason. A recent example on here was where I pointed out that the media could take the initiative to tone down the hate, and fact-free narrative they are churning out to garner clicks and shares. Loz took this to mean that I was advocating an authoritarian, book-burning dystopia. I think the way things are these days, it appears it's now acceptable to sort of "hystericalise", for want of a better word, someone else's point to make your own point more valid-sounding.

Reasonable opinions are appealing to reasonable people, online and offline.

The book-burning dystopia made me chuckle actually because slowly but surely we'll be there. I don't think that reading is a favourite pastime of that many people. Kids use wikipedia or the internet in general as their main sources of information, even adults no problem... Hence the success of a certain type of media. And I don't believe a second people just read it for amusement. Something stays there.

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Yeah, I didn’t say that, it’s just how you chose to interpret it.

Really?

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Firstly, the media isn't taking control of the population. Secondly, if it is, what's your solution? Controlling the media is just a step away from burning books. If you dispute this, have a look at this list and see which countries have the more authoritarian regimes.

What exactly were you trying to say with this?

Why bother with a list of nations with such regimes if you weren't intending to dip into hyperbole?

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Where did I say Australia has less press freedom than the UK? Are you making stuff up again? Or are you talking to someone else? Weird. Anyway, I've fixed your post for you. Previous Australian leaders have a far more positive view on Brexit.

Tony Abbott! Ahahahahahaaaaahhaaaaaahaaaahaaaaaaaaaa!!!!

Ah, Loz, you're the gift that just keeps on giving. Thanks, mate!

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	There is a huge difference between being anti-American and hating the current regime you know....

Western Europe has been decidedly anti-American since about the 1960s.

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Western Europe has been decidedly anti-American since about the 1960s.

Define American. It seems to me about 50% of Americans are anti-American in the other 50%'s eyes.

Good result tonight:

No extension to Art. 50
No second referendum
No “People’s Vote”

Buckle up snowflakes, No Deal Brexit here we come!

Well go back and live it and enjoy it - if it is what you want - go on, GO. you want it, YOU have it.

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	Well go back and live it and enjoy it - if it is what you want - go on, GO. you want it, YOU have it.

The problem is and we all know it's true, once you open the door to horse trading and extensions, nobody is ready or able to shut it.


At the very worst, it should focus minds on both sides a little more now.

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Good result tonight: No extension to Art. 50 No second referendum No “People’s Vote” Buckle up snowflakes, No Deal Brexit here we come!

Good luck getting that Socialism you crave. Tory Brexit here we come.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Buckle up snowflakes, No Deal Brexit here we come!

Have you shot your load early, or did you actually miss the Spelman - Dromey Amendment and the Brady Amendment?

	Quote:	Blueangel
	Have you shot your load early, or did you actually miss the Spelman - Dromey Amendment and the Brady Amendment?

The EU will tell May to fook off. Spelman-Dromey is just noise and not legally binding. No deal all the way, baby!

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Good result tonight: No extension to Art. 50 No second referendum No “People’s Vote” Buckle up snowflakes, No Deal Brexit here we come!

Says the snowflake living in Switzerland

[Fish Paste]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	The EU will tell May to fook off.

I think you’re right about that.

However, my money is on no brexit.

[curley]

	Quote:	Fish Paste
	I think you’re right about that. However, my money is on no brexit.

Think so too. On both.

The whole thing will be documented as the storm in a teacup.
The position of GB within the EU as well as the world will be crappy for ages.

Weirdest thing I've witnessed in my time. Weirder than US under Trump.

	Quote:	Fish Paste
	I think you’re right about that. However, my money is on no brexit.

Nope, because Parliament saw to that last night. The UK is now firmly on the path to a no deal Brexit. Unless the EU change tack (they won’t), then the UK will leave without a deal on March 29th. And to think it’s all thanks to Gina Miller. Fantastic.