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View Poll Results: What would you personally prefer to happen?
I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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Old 30.01.2019, 13:59
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This sums it up quite nicely

http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2019...v__qEtahfwLRPg
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So go back, you voted for it- you have it, you own it - go on...

https://newsthump.com/2019/01/30/no-...N1wTZQ_fYBHTvw
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So the British voted for MPs that don't understand reality, then voted for for a plan that is not close to reality, now find out that it is all far away from reality - and blame Theresa May for it all?
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Hope your job is secure, very secure - and I won't cry the day you lose it, for sure.

You have NO idea, NO idea at all, how this is seriously affecting people.

To have the right to vote for something which has such a massive and disastrous effect on so many, and some a lot more than others - and not to have to live the consequences, is a travesty of Democracy (a is the whole Brexit debâcle).
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Hope your job is secure, very secure - and I won't cry the day you lose it, for sure.
I make fun of the Brexit process, someone comes along and wishes that I lose my job.

Welcome folks, to Remainer spite.
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Old 30.01.2019, 14:18
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You have NO idea, NO idea at all, how this is seriously affecting people.

To have the right to vote for something which has such a massive and disastrous effect on so many, and some a lot more than others - and not to have to live the consequences, is a travesty of Democracy (a is the whole Brexit debâcle).
The UK is leaving a political trading bloc, not going to war. Get some perspective.
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Old 30.01.2019, 14:22
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Is that East Enders?
Perfect choice, rofl.
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I'm not so sure. People can just be over sensitive or try to use extreme language for no real reason. A recent example on here was where I pointed out that the media could take the initiative to tone down the hate, and fact-free narrative they are churning out to garner clicks and shares. Loz took this to mean that I was advocating an authoritarian, book-burning dystopia.

I think the way things are these days, it appears it's now acceptable to sort of "hystericalise", for want of a better word, someone else's point to make your own point more valid-sounding.
It was half-meant as tongue in cheek, exactly because of the that hystericalising. But it really seems to me that discussions online have become much more heated in recent years, and that willingness to accept different viewpoints has largely vanished. The tone on here is very mild in comparison.
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Old 30.01.2019, 14:45
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The UK is leaving a political trading bloc, not going to war. Get some perspective.
Have you read some of the Brexit perspective on it all? The general sentiment seems to be "We survived two world wars, we will survive Brexit. Suck it up".

Brexiters' comparing it with the war has become a recurring refrain in recent weeks.
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Old 30.01.2019, 14:46
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The only thing I can see stopping no Brexit now is when businesses realise that no one has done anything significant to prepare for no-deal Brexit on both sides. Airbus can make loud noises but they're still going to need wings to put on their planes after March 29th.
Certainly. And for the 2 to 4 years I guess it takes to build up an alternative plant. But after that...bye bye.
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Old 30.01.2019, 14:48
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It was half-meant as tongue in cheek, exactly because of the that hystericalising. But it really seems to me that discussions online have become much more heated in recent years, and that willingness to accept different viewpoints has largely vanished. The tone on here is very mild in comparison.
I don't know about other fora but generally the world has turned away from discussing to cursing, it seems.

The title of Odile's linked article is the weirdest thing.
(I was actually gonna quote it but EF didn't let me )

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So go back, you voted for it- you have it, you own it - go on...

https://newsthump.com/2019/01/30/no-...N1wTZQ_fYBHTvw
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Old 30.01.2019, 14:53
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Certainly. And for the 2 to 4 years I guess it takes to build up an alternative plant. But after that...bye bye.
so far the companies that have shouted the loudest over brexit are the same ones that have been quietly saying for years they needed staff reductions / plants shutting etc etc just an opportunity to blame something else
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Old 30.01.2019, 15:02
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so far the companies that have shouted the loudest over brexit and the same ones that have been quietly saying for years they needed staff reductions / plants shutting etc etc just an opportunity to blame something else
What concerns me far more are the thousands of social projects in the UK that heavily rely on EU funding. The one I'm most familiar with (as my mate was the manager of it until a few weeks ago), receives 55% of all it's funding from an EU grant, and the rest from local businesses. A couple of weeks ago, I saw an Olympic athlete go on 'Mastermind' to raise funds for this project. That's what it's come to.
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Old 30.01.2019, 15:38
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I make fun of the Brexit process, someone comes along and wishes that I lose my job.

Welcome folks, to Remainer spite.
Not crying if you lose it and wishing you lose it are two very different things.

Welcome folks, to Brexiteer reading comprehension skills.

P.S. despite our differences, I certainly hope you and everyone else on the Brexit side doesn't lose their job or suffer. I hope Britain thrives too, but I can't see it happening, sadly. There's no sense being a cnt about it though, good will to all in the real world, despite our cyber-fights.
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Old 30.01.2019, 16:20
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Very tired of the seemingly constant game of Tory party "one-upmanship". Am living in a Tory postcode for the second time in my life and my MP is not great.

I know the situation is all shades of shite but I'm fairly certain on Saturday the 30th March everyone will still get out of bed and put their pants on one leg at a time. Apart from those who prefer to go commando, obvs. And a minority of DM readers who will have bricked themselves into their Orangeries leaving only the barest slot for their organic food deliveries from Ocado.
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Not crying if you lose it and wishing you lose it are two very different things.

Welcome folks, to Brexiteer reading comprehension skills.

P.S. despite our differences, I certainly hope you and everyone else on the Brexit side doesn't lose their job or suffer. I hope Britain thrives too, but I can't see it happening, sadly. There's no sense being a cnt about it though, good will to all in the real world, despite our cyber-fights.
You do realize Loz did not vote.

Although as someone who lives and works overseas you would think he might have had a broader perspective of the EU then your average Daily Mail reader.
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Old 30.01.2019, 17:14
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To have the right to vote for something which has such a massive and disastrous effect on so many, and some a lot more than others - and not to have to live the consequences, is a travesty of Democracy (a is the whole Brexit debâcle).
Didn't ypu once say that you vote in Uk elections, or think you ought to be able to vote in Uk elections or something like that? Despite not living there?
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Old 30.01.2019, 17:22
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There won't be, because it's the EU. Prepare for No Deal Brexit folks!
Don't underestimate the extent to which personal spite and vendettas can hold the broader political process hostage.

Remember how it was old Charles de Gaulle popping his clogs that made the EU's forerunner more UK friendly in the first place.

And today? Merkel, Macron, Verhoffstat, Juncker .. all living on borrowed time.

History has an uncanny way of repeating itself.
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Didn't ypu once say that you vote in Uk elections, or think you ought to be able to vote in Uk elections or something like that? Despite not living there?

I actually wonder how many of the remainers on EF have decided not to vote - but now have strong opinions about Brexit.
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To have the right to vote for something which has such a massive and disastrous effect on so many, and some a lot more than others - and not to have to live the consequences, is a travesty of Democracy (a is the whole Brexit debâcle).
I feel the same way about not having the right to vote on something which will have an effect on us too.
If Cameron had honoured his promise of changing the voting rights for the purpose of the referendum and allowed those of us who have been outside of the UK for more than 15 years the right to vote in it then I’m pretty sure we wouldn’t be in this mess now.


Whatever your opinion of Loz, that comment about him losing his job was uncalled for.
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