The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH - Page 856

bigblue2 · #**17101** 31.01.2019, 17:02

	Quote:	fatjan
	Is this how you see it? As people drinking for free and "beating up" the rich? So we all have to be nice to them in case they feel victimised? Poor poor rich people. It's an insulting narrative you're perpetuating. Anyway I'd better stop now in case I hurt your feelings and you feel you have to leave too.

oh please carry on, you're hilarious

st2lemans · #**17102** 31.01.2019, 17:15

"Theresa May will not be flying to Brussels in Spitfire, BBC clarifies "

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ql7c20JCDhJKgo

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/ent...b093663f5bbbba

Tom

#**17103** 31.01.2019, 17:19

	Quote:	st2lemans
	"Theresa May will not be flying to Brussels in Spitfire, BBC clarifies " https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ql7c20JCDhJKgo https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/ent...b093663f5bbbba Tom

Bit of top-drawer trolling from the BBC, though...

#**17104** 31.01.2019, 17:58

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	Bit of top-drawer trolling from the BBC, though...

Saw it live on the 6 o clock news yesterday, very funny.. she'll need more than a Spitfire to make them change the backstop.

Even funnier when I read this morning that Tusk told May in a phone call on Tuesday night that it is her job to find a solution to the Brexit impasse, not his.

Some extra episodes of *Yes, Prime Minister* wouldn't go amiss here.

John William · #**17105** 31.01.2019, 18:17

Breaking News - Noel Edmunds to present a special Brexit edition of Deal or No Deal - live from Brussels !!

John William · #**17106** 31.01.2019, 19:46

	Quote:	John William
	Breaking News - Noel Edmunds to present a special Brexit edition of Deal or No Deal* - live from Brussels !!*

With Comic Relief - Red Nose Day taking place on the 15th March this year ( 2 weeks before Brexit Day ) forum members are reminded to make their Brexit nominations and suggestions to the Comic Relief site below ASAP.

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McTAVGE · #**17107** 31.01.2019, 20:31

#**17108** 31.01.2019, 22:23

Reality starting to sink in?

German anger builds over dangerous handling of Brexit by EU ideologues

#**17109** 01.02.2019, 08:06

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Reality starting to sink in? German anger builds over dangerous handling of Brexit by EU ideologues

I just read the IFO proposal....perhaps you should as well. If the Brexit mob in the Tory party have trouble with the backstop what would they think of this:

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	The United Kingdom permanently delegates all trade policy matters in goods to a newly created European Customs Association (ECA) in which the EU is also a member. Neither the EU nor the UK pursues independent trade policies

#**17110** 01.02.2019, 08:16

	Quote:
	I just read the IFO proposal....perhaps you should as well. If the Brexit mob in the Tory party have trouble with the backstop what would they think of this:

I think it is outrageous that you expect people to read beyond a headline.

#**17111** 01.02.2019, 08:48

	Quote:
	I just read the IFO proposal....perhaps you should as well. If the Brexit mob in the Tory party have trouble with the backstop what would they think of this:

Why should I? It won't get adopted anyway. My point is what I alluded to a few pages back. Virtually no businesses, on both sides, have made any serious Brexit planning. There's been a lot of words but no serious action. Even people on here - how many of your companies have made any preparations at all? Now it's really dawning on all what the consequences of a no deal Brexit will be. Until now the pressure has only been applied on the UK government side, but I reckon we'll start to see a shift in the coming weeks with pressure rising on the EU from EU businesses too.

The cry until now is "It'll hurt the UK more than the EU!". This maybe true, but the fact is that Italy is already in recession, Germany and France slumping too. You can't just cut off ties with one-fifth of the EU's economy and expect no significant consequences.

#**17112** 01.02.2019, 08:58

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Virtually no businesses, on both sides, have made any serious Brexit planning.

Here you're wrong. I know a great many companies, including my own, have given this very serious thought and have made their contingency plans. There is still a large "wait and see" element as no-one knows what will happen but the planning certainly exists.

On the UK government side however....

#**17113** 01.02.2019, 08:59

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Virtually no businesses, on both sides, have made any serious Brexit planning. There's been a lot of words but no serious action.

5 minutes on Google should disabuse you of that notion. Perhaps try "Companies leaving UK due to Brexit". I'm sure you won't need to trawl through all 64,000,000 results to get the idea.

marton · #**17114** 01.02.2019, 09:14

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Why should I? It won't get adopted anyway. My point is what I alluded to a few pages back. Virtually no businesses, on both sides, have made any serious Brexit planning. There's been a lot of words but no serious action. Even people on here - how many of your companies have made any preparations at all? Now it's really dawning on all what the consequences of a no deal Brexit will be. Until now the pressure has only been applied on the UK government side, but I reckon we'll start to see a shift in the coming weeks with pressure rising on the EU from EU businesses too. The cry until now is "It'll hurt the UK more than the EU!". This maybe true, but the fact is that Italy is already in recession, Germany and France slumping too. You can't just cut off ties with one-fifth of the EU's economy and expect no significant consequences.

Italy recession has nothing to do with Brexit. The reason usually quoted is "The economy is heavily regulated, with access to many professions tightly limited, an inflexible jobs market and very difficult to start a business."
Not helped by the US/China trade war which is hurting the global economy plus the US economy is believed to have peaked.

#**17115** 01.02.2019, 09:15

	Quote:	marton
	Italy recession has nothing to do with Brexit. The reason usually quoted is "The economy is heavily regulated, with access to many professions tightly limited, an inflexible jobs market and very difficult to start a business." Not helped by the US/China trade war which is hurting the global economy plus the US economy is believed to have peaked.

I didn't say that Italy's recession has anything to do with Brexit. My point is that this will be exacerbated by a no deal Brexit.

DanLF · #**17116** 01.02.2019, 09:19

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Virtually no businesses, on both sides, have made any serious Brexit planning. There's been a lot of words but no serious action.

A quote taken from the BBC this morning:

"Research for the Institute of Directors revealed that 16% already had relocation plans while a further 13% were actively considering doing so."

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-47083214

I think I read that Dyson, the leave campaigner, said his business is relocating out of the UK.

#**17117** 01.02.2019, 09:21

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Why should I? It won't get adopted anyway. My point is what I alluded to a few pages back. Virtually no businesses, on both sides, have made any serious Brexit planning. There's been a lot of words but no serious action. Even people on here - how many of your companies have made any preparations at all? Now it's really dawning on all what the consequences of a no deal Brexit will be. Until now the pressure has only been applied on the UK government side, but I reckon we'll start to see a shift in the coming weeks with pressure rising on the EU from EU businesses too. The cry until now is "It'll hurt the UK more than the EU!". This maybe true, but the fact is that Italy is already in recession, Germany and France slumping too. You can't just cut off ties with one-fifth of the EU's economy and expect no significant consequences.

Perfect timing Loz...

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...xit-iod-survey

marton · #**17118** 01.02.2019, 09:22

	Quote:	Loz1983
	I didn't say that Italy's recession has anything to do with Brexit. My point is that this will be exacerbated by a no deal Brexit.

Here I agree with you!
UK imports around £16Bn annually from Italy and when UK has no money after Brexit then no doubt these imports will be severely reduced.

#**17119** 01.02.2019, 09:24

	Quote:	DanLF
	A quote taken from the BBC this morning: "Research for the Institute of Directors revealed that 16% already had relocation plans while a further 13% were actively considering doing so." https://www.bbc.com/news/business-47083214 I think I read that Dyson, the leave campaigner, said his business is relocating out of the UK.

"Actively Planning" is exactly that. The point is that even at this late stage only 16% of businesses have plans in place. The vast majority do not. And this is in the UK where they've been hearing nothing but Brexit for the last 3 years. Now imagine the plans on the EU side to mitigate no deal Brexit?

#**17120** 01.02.2019, 09:26

	Quote:	loz1983
	"actively planning" is exactly that. The point is that even at this late stage only 16% of businesses have plans in place. The vast majority are not prepared to divulge their business plans to third parties collecting statistics.

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