Go Back   English Forum Switzerland > Off-Topic > Off-Topic > International affairs/politics  
View Poll Results: What would you personally prefer to happen?
I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
Voters: 212. You may not vote on this poll

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #17121  
Old 01.02.2019, 09:33
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Zurich
Posts: 7,202
Groaned at 244 Times in 182 Posts
Thanked 15,285 Times in 5,316 Posts
k_and_e has a reputation beyond reputek_and_e has a reputation beyond reputek_and_e has a reputation beyond reputek_and_e has a reputation beyond reputek_and_e has a reputation beyond reputek_and_e has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post
"Actively Planning" is exactly that. The point is that even at this late stage only 16% of businesses have plans in place. The vast majority do not. And this is in the UK where they've been hearing nothing but Brexit for the last 3 years. Now imagine the plans on the EU side to mitigate no deal Brexit?

16% has relocation plans. That is not the same as 16% has plans.
Reply With Quote
The following 4 users would like to thank k_and_e for this useful post:
  #17122  
Old 01.02.2019, 09:40
baboon's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Rheintal
Posts: 3,853
Groaned at 126 Times in 112 Posts
Thanked 5,216 Times in 2,529 Posts
baboon has a reputation beyond reputebaboon has a reputation beyond reputebaboon has a reputation beyond reputebaboon has a reputation beyond reputebaboon has a reputation beyond reputebaboon has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post
"Actively Planning" is exactly that. The point is that even at this late stage only 16% of businesses have plans in place. The vast majority do not. And this is in the UK where they've been hearing nothing but Brexit for the last 3 years. Now imagine the plans on the EU side to mitigate no deal Brexit?
That is not what it says. What it actually says is that 16% of business have plans to relocate (plus the others thinking about it). No mention of how many have other plans to deal with it that don't involve relocation.

Oh and perhaps also relevant is that only a minority of all UK concerns have an export business. 9% of SMEs, I guess once you include large companies that might jump to 15% to 20% (remember each company counts as "1" in these surveys, no allowance for size).

https://assets.publishing.service.go...-exporters.pdf
__________________
Time is an illusion. Lunchtime doubly so.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank baboon for this useful post:
  #17123  
Old 01.02.2019, 09:40
StirB's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Zurich
Posts: 3,411
Groaned at 141 Times in 123 Posts
Thanked 5,947 Times in 2,556 Posts
StirB has a reputation beyond reputeStirB has a reputation beyond reputeStirB has a reputation beyond reputeStirB has a reputation beyond reputeStirB has a reputation beyond reputeStirB has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post
"Actively Planning" is exactly that. The point is that even at this late stage only 16% of businesses have plans in place. The vast majority do not. And this is in the UK where they've been hearing nothing but Brexit for the last 3 years. Now imagine the plans on the EU side to mitigate no deal Brexit?
You're right, 16% of companies with fully fledged plans to leave with another 13% actively (note actively) planning to do so it isn't worth worrying about. After all, the EU needs us way more than we need them.
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank StirB for this useful post:
  #17124  
Old 01.02.2019, 09:45
marton's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Kt. Zürich
Posts: 10,686
Groaned at 356 Times in 307 Posts
Thanked 14,025 Times in 7,715 Posts
marton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post
"Actively Planning" is exactly that. The point is that even at this late stage only 16% of businesses have plans in place. The vast majority do not. And this is in the UK where they've been hearing nothing but Brexit for the last 3 years. Now imagine the plans on the EU side to mitigate no deal Brexit?
If you read the links you will see this survey was about "are firms planning to relocate because of Brexit".

The survey was not about "do firms have plans for Brexit" so your statement "Virtually no businesses, on both sides, have made any serious Brexit planning" has no evidence to support it and your conclusion "only 16% of businesses have plans in place" is incorrect.
Reply With Quote
The following 3 users would like to thank marton for this useful post:
  #17125  
Old 01.02.2019, 09:50
Troublawesome's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Zug
Posts: 1,066
Groaned at 206 Times in 123 Posts
Thanked 997 Times in 445 Posts
Troublawesome has made some interesting contributions
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Seriously Marton? Seriously?
Reply With Quote
This user groans at Troublawesome for this post:
  #17126  
Old 01.02.2019, 11:32
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

The European Council says EU ambassadors have agreed that UK citizens should be given visa-free travel to the Schengen area for a short stay after Brexit

Translation: EU realise the cost to Spanish economy if the annual migration of tattooed, red faced, booze soaked Brits to Torremolinos is hindered in any way.
Reply With Quote
The following 4 users would like to thank for this useful post:
  #17127  
Old 01.02.2019, 12:04
curley's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: canton ZH
Posts: 9,419
Groaned at 135 Times in 114 Posts
Thanked 10,088 Times in 5,373 Posts
curley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post
The European Council says EU ambassadors have agreed that UK citizens should be given visa-free travel to the Schengen area for a short stay after Brexit

Translation: EU realise the cost to Spanish economy if the annual migration of tattooed, red faced, booze soaked Brits to Torremolinos is hindered in any way.
Well, I know Palma would more than welcome a "complication" like that.
Reply With Quote
  #17128  
Old 01.02.2019, 12:09
Sandgrounder's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: ZH
Posts: 13,714
Groaned at 126 Times in 117 Posts
Thanked 25,227 Times in 9,712 Posts
Sandgrounder has a reputation beyond reputeSandgrounder has a reputation beyond reputeSandgrounder has a reputation beyond reputeSandgrounder has a reputation beyond reputeSandgrounder has a reputation beyond reputeSandgrounder has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post
The European Council says EU ambassadors have agreed that UK citizens should be given visa-free travel to the Schengen area for a short stay after Brexit

Translation: EU realise the cost to Spanish economy if the annual migration of tattooed, red faced, booze soaked Brits to Torremolinos is hindered in any way.
Do you think making them stand in line with a bit of paper at the border would have made a difference? Imagine the consternation of them now not being able to bash out a Facebook rant about the indignity of being treated like cattle. There will be complaints - you wait.
Reply With Quote
The following 3 users would like to thank Sandgrounder for this useful post:
  #17129  
Old 01.02.2019, 12:32
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: CH
Posts: 8,157
Groaned at 265 Times in 215 Posts
Thanked 10,452 Times in 5,584 Posts
greenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post
Do you think making them stand in line with a bit of paper at the border would have made a difference? Imagine the consternation of them now not being able to bash out a Facebook rant about the indignity of being treated like cattle. There will be complaints - you wait.
I think UK needs EU and EU needs UK. We're all so tense and sensitive over this subject that we forgot to relax a little and see things in a more pragmatic perspective.
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank greenmount for this useful post:
  #17130  
Old 01.02.2019, 12:41
Sandgrounder's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: ZH
Posts: 13,714
Groaned at 126 Times in 117 Posts
Thanked 25,227 Times in 9,712 Posts
Sandgrounder has a reputation beyond reputeSandgrounder has a reputation beyond reputeSandgrounder has a reputation beyond reputeSandgrounder has a reputation beyond reputeSandgrounder has a reputation beyond reputeSandgrounder has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post
I think UK needs EU and EU needs UK. We're all so tense and sensitive over this subject that we forgot to relax a little and see things in a more pragmatic perspective.
I think it's just the painful irony that Brexiters were squawking at every opportunity that they wanted no part of the EU then are losing their minds with glee when they are able to still do stuff, post-Brexit, they could do under the EU. As if it's some kind of victory.
Reply With Quote
The following 5 users would like to thank Sandgrounder for this useful post:
  #17131  
Old 01.02.2019, 12:52
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: Zurich East
Posts: 775
Groaned at 65 Times in 49 Posts
Thanked 928 Times in 466 Posts
YuropFlyer has a reputation beyond reputeYuropFlyer has a reputation beyond reputeYuropFlyer has a reputation beyond reputeYuropFlyer has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

End of next month is it happening. We just don't know what yet. British planing at it's very best. No Brexit, Brexit but Britain basically staying in everything (minus actually getting a say), or a hard Brexit. All possible. And businesses need to prepare for everything. Nuts!

By the way, regarding visiting visa-free, that was kinda expected - one of the few things that absolutely no one should be surprised about (and unless the UK economy completely breaks down and millions of UK refugees tries to storm the channel to France, will stay that way indefinitely)
Reply With Quote
  #17132  
Old 01.02.2019, 12:54
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Neuchatel
Posts: 22,889
Groaned at 545 Times in 417 Posts
Thanked 25,414 Times in 11,656 Posts
Odile has a reputation beyond reputeOdile has a reputation beyond reputeOdile has a reputation beyond reputeOdile has a reputation beyond reputeOdile has a reputation beyond reputeOdile has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post
I think UK needs EU and EU needs UK. We're all so tense and sensitive over this subject that we forgot to relax a little and see things in a more pragmatic perspective.
Yes, however it is easier to be pragmatic if you are not directly affected in so many ways. If you have just lost your job because your employer has relocated abroad, it is perhaps more difficult to be calm and positive about the benefits.

But this is also an illustration of the British two party system- where the First Past the Post system of election creates 'strong' governement in most instances- and where a very large proportion of the population is just ignored and feels unrepresented- and see-saw politics.

This is really exarcebated at the moment, as the Labour Party is not opposing effectively the Conservatives, with Corbyn sitting forever on the fence and now insisting that he could renegotiate a new Deal, cake and eat it with unicorns- all the rights but none of the responsibilities ... or help May do that.

The 48%, which are now demographically quite a bit more, and quite a bit more again as so many have changed their mind - find themselves without any political party that supports their view - in a vacuum. The Lib Dems and the Greens (Caroline Lucas being their only MP due to FPP system)- are the only ones in opposition- but the political system does not give them an effective voice. British Politics does NOT lead to cooperation or cross party collaboration and solution finding- at all. The specifities of the British Political system are difficult to grasp from the outside, as it is so different, with NO proportional representation at all.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Odile for this useful post:
  #17133  
Old 01.02.2019, 13:21
StirB's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Zurich
Posts: 3,411
Groaned at 141 Times in 123 Posts
Thanked 5,947 Times in 2,556 Posts
StirB has a reputation beyond reputeStirB has a reputation beyond reputeStirB has a reputation beyond reputeStirB has a reputation beyond reputeStirB has a reputation beyond reputeStirB has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post
The Lib Dems and the Greens (Caroline Lucas being their only MP due to FPP system)- are the only ones in opposition
*cough* SNP has 3 times the seats than those two combined *cough*

Last edited by StirB; 01.02.2019 at 13:37.
Reply With Quote
  #17134  
Old 01.02.2019, 13:43
marton's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Kt. Zürich
Posts: 10,686
Groaned at 356 Times in 307 Posts
Thanked 14,025 Times in 7,715 Posts
marton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post
If you read the links you will see this survey was about "are firms planning to relocate because of Brexit".

The survey was not about "do firms have plans for Brexit" so your statement "Virtually no businesses, on both sides, have made any serious Brexit planning" has no evidence to support it and your conclusion "only 16% of businesses have plans in place" is incorrect.
If you still believe UK firms are not planning for Brexit then read "U.K. Factories Stockpile at Record Pace as Brexit Jitters Grow, Companies’ inventory holdings grew in January at the quickest rate in the 27-year history of IHS Markit’s survey"
Reply With Quote
  #17135  
Old 01.02.2019, 13:57
baboon's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Rheintal
Posts: 3,853
Groaned at 126 Times in 112 Posts
Thanked 5,216 Times in 2,529 Posts
baboon has a reputation beyond reputebaboon has a reputation beyond reputebaboon has a reputation beyond reputebaboon has a reputation beyond reputebaboon has a reputation beyond reputebaboon has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post
*cough* SNP has 3 times the seats than those two combined *cough*
But they don't stand for many English seats though.
Reply With Quote
  #17136  
Old 01.02.2019, 14:03
StirB's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Zurich
Posts: 3,411
Groaned at 141 Times in 123 Posts
Thanked 5,947 Times in 2,556 Posts
StirB has a reputation beyond reputeStirB has a reputation beyond reputeStirB has a reputation beyond reputeStirB has a reputation beyond reputeStirB has a reputation beyond reputeStirB has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post
But they don't stand for many English seats though.
More's the pity. They could probably rule down to about York...like the good old days
Reply With Quote
  #17137  
Old 01.02.2019, 18:58
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: Küsnacht, Switzerland
Posts: 4,066
Groaned at 87 Times in 81 Posts
Thanked 8,256 Times in 3,838 Posts
Blueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

For anyone with a serious interest in what could happen in the coming years, the first chapter of Ian Dunt's revised edition of 'Brexit: What The Hell Happens Now?', is available to read here...

https://www.book2look.com/book/djJruxLN3y

Page 6 is a doozy
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank Blueangel for this useful post:
  #17138  
Old 01.02.2019, 19:13
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Neuchatel
Posts: 22,889
Groaned at 545 Times in 417 Posts
Thanked 25,414 Times in 11,656 Posts
Odile has a reputation beyond reputeOdile has a reputation beyond reputeOdile has a reputation beyond reputeOdile has a reputation beyond reputeOdile has a reputation beyond reputeOdile has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post
*cough* SNP has 3 times the seats than those two combined *cough*
Yep, of course, I had my English hat on- mea culpa. So all of them together, would stand a chance ... if only Labour would oppose.
Reply With Quote
  #17139  
Old 01.02.2019, 20:10
Fish Paste's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: North
Posts: 1,068
Groaned at 39 Times in 24 Posts
Thanked 1,337 Times in 615 Posts
Fish Paste has a reputation beyond reputeFish Paste has a reputation beyond reputeFish Paste has a reputation beyond reputeFish Paste has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post
Yep, of course, I had my English hat on- mea culpa. So all of them together, would stand a chance ... if only Labour would oppose.
Labour wants Brexit.
Reply With Quote
The following 3 users would like to thank Fish Paste for this useful post:
  #17140  
Old 01.02.2019, 20:35
fatmanfilms's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Verbier
Posts: 18,046
Groaned at 289 Times in 238 Posts
Thanked 15,591 Times in 8,673 Posts
fatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

A UK-US free trade deal could boost national output by £80 billion and cut UK prices by 8 per cent, what's not to like?

https://brexitcentral.com/uk-us-free...Wr8HolieV8huD4
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank fatmanfilms for this useful post:
The following 2 users groan at fatmanfilms for this post:
Reply

Tags
europe




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 7 (1 members and 6 guests)
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Latest Referendum, what will be consequences for EU (C permit and B permit) holders? expat2014 Permits/visas/government 3 11.02.2014 07:59
Importing vehicles and the VAT consequences in Switzerland from France BEFO Finance/banking/taxation 6 07.08.2013 14:11
The (Available in CH) Dog Food Review Thread meloncollie Pet corner 44 08.05.2012 19:15
Common-law marriage and consequences in CH Mishto Family matters/health 9 01.10.2011 21:03
Something for the Brits: M&S in CH mark Daily life 11 15.11.2007 11:18


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 22:07.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.1.0