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View Poll Results: What would you personally prefer to happen?
I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
Voters: 212. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 01.02.2019, 20:40
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A UK-US free trade deal could boost national output by £80 billion and cut UK prices by 8 per cent, what's not to like?

https://brexitcentral.com/uk-us-free...Wr8HolieV8huD4
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Too little too late, but it will be interesting to see how far this audit goes.

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Old 01.02.2019, 21:15
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A UK-US free trade deal could boost national output by £80 billion and cut UK prices by 8 per cent, what's not to like?

https://brexitcentral.com/uk-us-free...Wr8HolieV8huD4
Growth hormones in their beef, salmonella in their chicken, GMOs in their Frankenfoods, carcinogens in their weedkiller, etc. And a FTA agreement would not affect their 25% tariffs on steel and aluminium because that's a national security issue. (Just ask Canada and Mexico).

Not worth a 8% cut in prices.
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Old 01.02.2019, 21:49
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... and in Californian wine. But don't worry about FMF's food- he shares his life between Chamonix, Verbier and Malta- no wonder he is not worried. None of this will affect him, or others in Switzerland who voted for it.

Guy is totally right here. How can the EU negotiate anything, when not even Mrs May's own party can agree, never mind the opposition?

https://www.facebook.com/GuyVerhofst...6412598827338/

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Old 01.02.2019, 22:27
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So far fines on Leaver organisations are around ten times the fines on Remainers.
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Old 01.02.2019, 22:43
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The Government explicitly explainesl in the Official HMG leaflet sent to all registered voters that a vote to leave would be complex, lengthy, and uncertain. Why are some people now surprised?
https://assets.publishing.service.go...for-the-uk.pdf
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Old 01.02.2019, 22:56
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The Government explicitly explainesl in the Official HMG leaflet sent to all registered voters that a vote to leave would be complex, lengthy, and uncertain. Why are some people now surprised?
https://assets.publishing.service.go...for-the-uk.pdf
I like the quote "the government will implement what you decide". that's very different from some remainers' opinions on this forum.
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Old 01.02.2019, 23:00
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Perhaps the proven fraud, the foreign interference and money, the massive lies, the tiny majority - have something to do with this? Just perhaps ...
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Old 01.02.2019, 23:07
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I like the quote "the government will implement what you decide". that's very different from some remainers' opinions on this forum.
also very different from some leaver's opinions on this forum!
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Old 01.02.2019, 23:14
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Perhaps the proven fraud, the foreign interference and money, the massive lies, the tiny majority - have something to do with this? Just perhaps ...
Do you mean Brexit or politics in general?
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Old 01.02.2019, 23:16
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Brexit in this context.
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Old 01.02.2019, 23:33
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I like the quote "the government will implement what you decide". that's very different from some remainers' opinions on this forum.
Because after the event they realised they have no idea what the voters decided. Leave the EU, yes (although there is ample evidence the vote would go the other way now). But leave the single market? leave the customs union? Make arrangements that mean a hard border in Ireland?

Take the single market. It's a fair bet that pretty well all remainers would want to remain in that. Polling has also shown that fairly close to half of leavers would also want to stay in it. So remaining in the single market would have the support of at least 65% of the voters.
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Old 01.02.2019, 23:35
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A UK-US free trade deal could boost national output by £80 billion and cut UK prices by 8 per cent, what's not to like?

https://brexitcentral.com/uk-us-free...Wr8HolieV8huD4
There are very, very good reasons the EU has not so far concluded a free trade deal with the US; Bowlie mentions just a few of them. The EU certainly has my full support there.
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The Swedish Democrats are no longer seeking an in-out referendum and now want to reform EU institutions from within:source

"We always say that we are a pragmatic party, we try to relate to reality and to what it looks like. When we now see that we can participate and reform from within, we see it as a better alternative to try." - Peter Lundgren.

Unpragmatic Brexit really is an excellent way of showing everyone else how not to do it.
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The Swedish Democrats are no longer seeking an in-out referendum and now want to reform EU institutions from within:source

"We always say that we are a pragmatic party, we try to relate to reality and to what it looks like. When we now see that we can participate and reform from within, we see it as a better alternative to try." - Peter Lundgren.

Unpragmatic Brexit really is an excellent way of showing everyone else how not to do it.
People have such short memories. The reason Brexit was won is because there is no way of reforming the EU “from within” unless you want more Europe. Cameron tried this and got told to get stuffed.
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The Government explicitly explainesl in the Official HMG leaflet sent to all registered voters that a vote to leave would be complex, lengthy, and uncertain. Why are some people now surprised?
https://assets.publishing.service.go...for-the-uk.pdf
Remainers aren’t surprised and never have been, otherwise they wouldn’t have voted to remain (didn’t you read the last 900 pages?)

It’s only Leavers that seem confused now that their world is about to fall apart.
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Remainers aren’t surprised and never have been, otherwise they wouldn’t have voted to remain (didn’t you read the last 900 pages?)

It’s only Leavers that seem confused now that their world is about to fall apart.
Perhaps it's the EU that will fall apart.
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Perhaps it's the EU that will fall apart.
Perhaps goverment will use that as another deflection (“Don’t look at our current dog’s dinner, keep watching the EU in case something happens there! Perhaps, possibly, maybe...”)
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Perhaps it's the EU that will fall apart.
So that is the strategy, divide et impera? Many Brexiteers know the UK will not get a super-privileged deal so they would like to dig a big hole in which to "lay" the EU.

Popular wisdom tells us that those who dig a hole for someone else....usually fall right in there. Maybe UK will see some secessionist movements too.
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I like the quote "the government will implement what you decide". that's very different from some remainers' opinions on this forum.
A leaflet so rushed and thrown together that it didn't even stipulate that "the government will implement what the majority of you decide." If that were a legal document, they would also have implement the remain vote of 16+million people.
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