The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	bowlie
	Growth hormones in their beef, salmonella in their chicken, GMOs in their Frankenfoods, carcinogens in their weedkiller, etc. And a FTA agreement would not affect their 25% tariffs on steel and aluminium because that's a national security issue. (Just ask Canada and Mexico). Not worth a 8% cut in prices.

Even if a UK-US deal were on the table, it may have been delayed, or even scuppered, by this weeks events. People tend to forget that the US are 'guardians of the Good Friday Agreement' so have been watching the backstop situation very carefully. Many people were not at all impressed with May asking her party to support the Brady Amendment because the backstop was added to the Withdrawal Agreement by the PM to protect the GFA.

And then there was this...

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	Faisal Islam‏Verified account @faisalislam Faisal Islam Retweeted US Rep Brendan Boyle Some in Government are worried about Irish Caucus in Congress making trouble for any US-UK trade deal, should U.K. renege on commitments to Dublin. Extra leverage, over and above the direct veto of course in future relationship... so this is interesting from a Congressman: Faisal Islam added, US Rep Brendan BoyleVerified account @RepBrendanBoyle After agreeing to the Irish backstop, Theresa May’s government has now reneged on it. Why would anyone negotiate with her now? #Brexit 3:46 PM - 29 Jan 2019

https://twitter.com/faisalislam/stat...95693708128256

The PM really hasn't showered herself in glory this week, and the whole world has watched her renege on a deal. Purely in business terms, I wouldn't touch her with a barge pole after witnessing her actions this week. Anybody in their right mind would take their business elsewhere.

[Clocker]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Perhaps it's the EU that will fall apart.

I'm not saying the UK will fall apart, but there have been hints at the prospect of a (re-)united Ireland, which would alleviate May's headache somewhat.

[greenmount]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	People have such short memories. The reason Brexit was won is because there is no way of reforming the EU “from within” unless you want more Europe. Cameron tried this and got told to get stuffed.

Cameron got what people usually get when they play the wrong card.

I think (hope) we will see some reforms within EU, maybe not exactly the ones you are thinking of. But you can't do it from outside, obviously. I can't even begin to start here where I would like to see some changes. I think the only way forward is to start sending the right kind of people to Bruxelles - not the far-right wing, neither the far-left. Not populists or eccentrics. I am not happy with the current state of affairs. But I will never vote against EU.

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Perhaps it's the EU that will fall apart.

oh for sure- but we would have pulled the trigger - that would lead to very dangerous scenarios for the future. I do fear for my grandchildren.

[greenmount]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	A UK-US free trade deal could boost national output by £80 billion and cut UK prices by 8 per cent, what's not to like? https://brexitcentral.com/uk-us-free...Wr8HolieV8huD4

In the "America first" climate? :ROFL:

[DUTCH]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	The Government explicitly explainesl in the Official HMG leaflet sent to all registered voters that a vote to leave would be complex, lengthy, and uncertain. Why are some people now surprised? https://assets.publishing.service.go...for-the-uk.pdf

Thanks FMF. I did not know that this info was sent by govt. This takes away one core argument which I sympathised with in past that people voted naively without facts (unlike lovely CH). People voted knowing what is at stake.

I voted Remain. I respect democratic wish that UK decided to Leave.

PM May wants to implement that (bit incompetently but I don't doubt her motivations). UK should get on with leaving, even with no deal if EU arrogance prevents getting a decent deal. All these doom sayers will be proven wrong. UK is resilient.

Grandparents always worry about grandchildren, Brexit or Bremain, dominant EU or blown apart EU. It's their job.

	Quote:	Loz1983
	People have such short memories. The reason Brexit was won is because there is no way of reforming the EU “from within” unless you want more Europe. Cameron tried this and got told to get stuffed.

That was the thinking in 2014, but we know now that's nonsense.

Cameron started this whole mess because of the fractious Tory party. If the tory party were all united and working towards EU reform, we wouldn't have had the in-out referendum or Brexit.

... and don't forget the new EU rules on tax evasion of course.

'Grandparents always worry about grandchildren, Brexit or Bremain, dominant EU or blown apart EU. It's their job' - yes, and I take it very seriously, thanks. Which is why I will continue to fight and continue to expose- that the referendum was fraudulent and won on lies, for the very few.

Thank goodness my grandkids will always have an opt-out due to dual nationality. I predict a massive brain, talent and ability drain out of UK if we leave, for sure.

And this from Andrew Marr, who is not a remainer:

https://www.facebook.com/JackWDart/v...8754767060554/

what's not to like indeed, FMF, indeed. But it won't affect you, and won't affect those who voted for this from their comfy home in Switzerland.

From The Times today, this hotbed of socialism:

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/r...m7_KZWoGm9Z-LU

[3Wishes]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	...People tend to forget that the US are 'guardians of the Good Friday Agreement' so have been watching the backstop situation very carefully...

Which Americans? Surely not Trump. He probably thinks the Good Friday agreement has something to do with golfing on the weekend, or maybe some agreement those Europeans made to have that Friday before Easter as a holiday. He probably doesn't know that Ireland and Northern Ireland are not the same country.

	Quote:	Clocker
	I'm not saying the UK will fall apart...

Well the Washington Post is predicting it will :

'"The country is now on the verge of disaster. On March 29, unless something is done, Britain will fall out the European Union without a deal. That will affect every aspect of the economy. It’s likely to block cargo at the border; pulverize agricultural exports; trigger shortages of food, medicine and radioactive isotopes; spark employment chaos by suddenly canceling the mutual recognition of qualifications between British and European institutions; halt the legal basis for data transfer overnight; and lead to massive and sudden flows of immigration in both directions. The list goes on and on. There is no part of society that is unaffected. And yet not only does the British political class not seem to understand the consequences of what it is doing, it is lost in populist fantasies instead of addressing the cold reality.

Britain is one of the richest and most advanced democracies in the world. It is currently locked in a room, babbling away to itself hysterically while threatening to blow its own kneecaps off. This is what nationalist populism does to a country. "

[Blueangel]

Interesting....

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	Brexit: Whitehall officials begin ‘serious work’ on UK staying in EU customs union as way to rescue deal Exclusive: Preparations begin amid belief beleaguered prime minister will be forced to offer Labour the potentially crucial compromise

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8759226.html

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:
	oh for sure- but we would have pulled the trigger - that would lead to very dangerous scenarios for the future. I do fear for my grandchildren.

Sure but being responsible for ending a dishonest & corrupt organisation who fail to produce audited accounts should be applauded. Makes tax evasion seem minor in comparison.

[bowlie]

The colony (oops territory) of Gibraltar is again in the news.

To all the leavers out there I have only one thing to say.

Duh!!!

Edited to say I have one more thing to say: Elgin marbles, British bases, north sea fishing rights? Which will be next.

[John William]

	Quote:	bowlie
	The colony (oops territory) of Gibraltar is again in the news. To all the leavers out there I have only one thing to say. Duh!!! Edited to say I have one more thing to say: Elgin marbles, British bases, north sea fishing rights? Which will be next.

Of course the Leavers will be harking back to the Good Old Days of the Falklands War, the Cod War,
the War of Jenkins Ear, the British Raj, the White Cliffs of Dover and WW2 accompanied by Dame Vera Lynn's
greatest hits.
In fact they even named one of the Woolwich Car Ferries. that could be pressed into cross channel
hard Brexit service, The Dame Vera Lynn.

I can just picture the Brexiteers now, all swelled up with emotion as the Dame Vera Lynn embarks on
hard Brexit duties in the Channel.

The Dame Vera Lynn vehicle & passenger ferry enters service

[YuropFlyer]

And they're made in Poland

[curley]

	Quote:	marton
	And the tooth fairy will put £50 notes under every pillow

I would think that at your age you don't really want the tooth ferry to visit?
Because $50 will not be enough to solve the dammage.

	Quote:	John William
	Of course the Leavers will be harking back to the Good Old Days of the Falklands War, the Cod War, the War of Jenkins Ear, the British Raj, the White Cliffs of Dover and WW2 accompanied by Dame Vera Lynn's greatest hits. In fact they even named one of the Woolwich Car Ferries. that could be pressed into cross channel hard Brexit service, The Dame Vera Lynn. I can just picture the Brexiteers now, all swelled up with emotion as the Dame Vera Lynn embarks on hard Brexit duties in the Channel. The Dame Vera Lynn vehicle & passenger ferry enters service

Well, this Lady will be 102 years old next month! Not the worst name to give to a big investment.

Not to mention that her opinion on no EU, member of EU, Brexit is one of the only ones that would be at least based on experience.

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Sure but being responsible for ending a dishonest & corrupt organisation who fail to produce audited accounts should be applauded. Makes tax evasion seem minor in comparison.

If you are talking about the EU there, this has been debunked so often it's not even funny any more...

https://fullfact.org/europe/did-audi...ign-eu-budget/

If you weren't talking about the EU, apologies. If you were, you should know better, really.

[fatmanfilms]

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	If you are talking about the EU there, this has been debunked so often it's not even funny any more... https://fullfact.org/europe/did-audi...ign-eu-budget/ If you weren't talking about the EU, apologies. If you were, you should know better, really.

Before 2007 the auditors gave a qualified opinion of the accounts, i.e they did not give a true & fair view. Perhaps the first 30 plus years of accounting falsification can be forgotten, perhaps not IMO.

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Before 2007 the auditors gave a qualified opinion of the accounts, i.e they did not give a true & fair view. Perhaps the first 30 plus years of accounting falsification can be forgotten, perhaps not IMO.

You weren't talking about the past though, were you? You wrote "fail to produce" (present), not "failed to produce" (past). Please try and be more accurate, or it makes you look like you are spreading fake news as part of an agenda.

Also, it is a big leap from "not fully audited" to "falsified". Do you have some evidence of falsification?