The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[JagWaugh]

	Quote:	Tasebo
	Can we have a new thread so I don't need to scroll to page 85?

I think that would require a referendum. In the meantime, how about the links that allow you to see the end of the thread?

[Tasebo]

	Quote:	JagWaugh
	I think that would require a referendum. In the meantime, how about the links that allow you to see the end of the thread?

Do you know how slow those links are - on an overloaded device?

I think RichDogs post (#1693?) a good departure point (w/apologies for the loaded meaning)

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	He was alwAys going to if it was Leave. Just have to hope it's not bloody Boris next in line.

That's exactly what's going to happen and exactly what Bojo planned when he flipped from pro EU to anti

[Slaphead]

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	Just for lolz, it would be amusing to see: Scotland declare independence and join the EU; Northern Ireland to reunite with Ireland (and so be in the EU); London and the rest of the south secede from the Union to form a new country, Greater Cornwall, a new member of the EU; Gibraltar joining Spain, but as a TOTALLY INDEPENDENT territory with NO ALLEGIANCE to those foreign johnnies (but full access to the EU, but without any influence on how fish & chips, ale, and bananas can be served); and the United Kingdom of Sunderland, Other Northern Places and Wales rising proudly to global dominance in all matters, independent of those EU nutters.

Point 1 - on the cards.
Point 2 - Wouldn't surprise me.
Point 4 - A distinct possiblity.

Points 3 and 5 are very definitely LOLZ however.

[aSwissInTheUS]

	Quote:	Tasebo
	Do you know how slow those links are - on an overloaded device?

PS: Bet some Scots regret their September 18 No.

[Sbrinz]

The Grauniad reports,

The commission president, Jean-Claude Juncker, said before the vote: “Cameron got the maximum he could receive and we gave the maximum we could give. So there will be no renegotiation, not on the agreement we found in February, nor as far as any kind of treaty negotiations are concerned.”

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...t-happens-next

[Stoker177]

	Quote:	Phos
	I'd love to see a photo of the reaction on Juncker's face right now.

He probably helped the Leave camp with disgraceful threats to the UK people.

[bigblue2]

	Quote:	Slaphead
	Rumours are now going around that Cameron is going to resign - it was just on the beeb. Personally I doubt that will happen, but then again I didn't think I would be looking at a Brexit this morning.

just before you edit your post

	Quote:	dodgyken
	Time to register http://bojo4pm.com/

Scary stuff. That is one dangerous individual. He's a master of misdirection: his own magician's assistant.

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	Yes indeed, leave that non EU country which has taken years to negotiate trade deals with the EU- and had to accept free movement of people from EU - which has allowed most EU expats here to come and work. And which will no longer be the case for other EU members wanting to work in UK if Brexit goes through. Those who want their cake and eat it (and with chocolate, fondue and lots of CHF too).

So all you Brexiters out there. If you are in a position that is largely due to the EU free movement of people, who amongst you is going to have the courage of your convictions and leave Switzerland as soon as the UK leaves the EU?

Surely you can't morally stay here? That would be completely hypocritical.

[Stoker177]

	Quote:	Chuff
	Brexit: so it happened. I like the security and stability the EU has given us, and my hassle-free residency in Switzerland is living proof of the many benefits it gives to its citizens. I also like the political stability and increased power it gives its member states on the world stage. It has many positive elements in many aspects. However, I think the reason that this situation happened is the EU's drive to become a one-stop solution for everyone without providing the necessary flexibility or transparency to those it governs. Layer upon layer and tangled webs of bureaucracy and regulation, rank and file of overpaid bureaucrats whose function remains a mystery. EU premiers we had no hand in electing essentially telling us to shut up and be thankful for what we have. Trying to create artificially balanced economies with countries that do not have the means to support themselves and compete on a level playing field. The end result being that if the average person in the UK does not see or understand the benefit that being in the EU brings them, then that is not the average persons fault, that is the EU's fault and the fault of the UK's governing politicians. What the average person see instead are the things that impact their daily lives (real or imagined, and to whatever that extent may be) while possessed by the feeling that they have had no choice in and control of the matter. Increased migration, rises in unemployment, reductions in public services, Islamophobia, e6tc etc. All of these are reasons that the right and far-right are making huge inroads in country-level politics, by feeding and preying off of the dissent and discord of the people. That is again in my eyes, a situation contributed to by the EU's handling of things, not least the biggest humanitarian crisis of our age. While I have no crystal ball, I think short term we will undoubtedly see a shit-storm of political and economical instability, Scotland likely to want to leave (which, though understandable, would be a crying shame), British expats may suffer abroad, and likely a host of other issues we haven't yet forseen that will create some very trying times. While taking that into account I am still optimistic about the mid to long term prospects. I believe that we have the strength and expertise to compete on the world stage as an independent body, and I am really hoping that this will be the wake-up call that the EU and its 'strong-arm' leading states needs to take a long and hard look at itself, to get to the root of the problems it faces, and ultimately to reform. One thing for certain is that it's going to be an very interesting and very nerve-wracking few years while all of the dust settles.

Very eloquent post......totally mirrors my thoughts.

	Quote:	k_and_e
	what if you could switch bank and could get a 1.9% higher interest rate?

You have to look at the proportion. An interest rate of 1.91% is overwhelmingly higher, expressed as a percentage of the 0.01% you may earn now. A difference in votes of just over one million out of a total of more than 33 million votes cast is not quite as impressive.

[Stoker177]

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	So all you Brexiters out there. If you are in a position that is largely due to the EU free movement of people, who amongst you is going to have the courage of your convictions and leave Switzerland as soon as the UK leaves the EU? Surely you can't morally stay here? That would be completely hypocritical.

Total bollocks!

	Quote:	bigblue2
	just before you edit your post

He's already posted in response to his own, unedited post.

	Quote:	Slaphead
	Point 1 - on the cards. Point 2 - Wouldn't surprise me. Point 4 - A distinct possiblity. Points 3 and 5 are very definitely LOLZ however.

Points 2 and 4 are also completely LOLZ imo. Despite the vote.

Although life for the Gibraltans could become very difficult following the exit.

	Quote:	Stoker177
	Total bollocks!

Care to explain why?

[k_and_e]

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	You have to look at the proportion. An interest rate of 1.91% is overwhelmingly higher, expressed as a percentage of the 0.01% you may earn now. A difference in votes of just over one million out of a total of more than 33 million votes cast is not quite as impressive.

again, sarcasm got lost at EF

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	Care to explain why?

You should leave a country that isn't in the EU to return to a country that soon won't be in the EU. Yup, your argument makes real sense.

	Quote:	k_and_e
	again, sarcasm got lost at EF

Never ever overestimate the ability of EFers (and almost everyone else) to totally misunderstand statistics.

[JagWaugh]

	Quote:	k_and_e
	again, sarcasm got lost at EF

Perhaps 22 Yards are a rithmetician, or a quant? Maybe Engrish isn't his 1st language?