The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[John William]

I see HMG and Whitehall have surpassed themselves in their 'No deal' hard Brexit
planning with Cold War bunkers coming out of moth balls, transition to war plans
and the emergency powers act being readied in the event of No deal Brexit
riots and a possible Brexit rebellion in London.

The Queen and other members of the Royal Family as well as the British
Cabinet and senior government ministers will be evacuated to Turnstile, Burlington
or whatever code name is appropriate for the secret government bunker from
where Theresa May hopes to deliver her final Hard Brexit plans to the rest
of the country, courtesy of the BBC's wartime broadcasting service.

Sunday Express - Revealed Secret plan to evacuate the Queen if no deal Brexit sparks London Riots

All I can say is I'm glad I held onto to my parents copy of the 1980's HMSO
publication of Protect & Survive.

[John William]

	Quote:	John William
	I see HMG and Whitehall have surpassed themselves in their 'No deal' hard Brexit planning with Cold War bunkers coming out of moth balls, transition to war plans and the emergency powers act being readied in the event of No deal Brexit riots and a possible Brexit rebellion in London. The Queen and other members of the Royal Family as well as the British Cabinet and senior government ministers will be evacuated to Turnstile, Burlington or whatever code name is appropriate for the secret government bunker from where Theresa May hopes to deliver her final Hard Brexit plans to the rest of the country, courtesy of the BBC's wartime broadcasting service. Sunday Express - Revealed Secret plan to evacuate the Queen if no deal Brexit sparks London Riots All I can say is I'm glad I held onto to my parents copy of the 1980's HMSO publication of Protect & Survive.

Finally don't forget to watch the BBC's Andrew Marr Show for a good laugh, as Andrew and his
guests review the above Sunday papers headline. Also available on I-player later today.

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	You weren't talking about the past though, were you? You wrote "fail to produce" (present), not "failed to produce" (past). Please try and be more accurate, or it makes you look like you are spreading fake news as part of an agenda. Also, it is a big leap from "not fully audited" to "falsified". Do you have some evidence of falsification?

Brexit survives only because of the hyperbole and hysteria.

[fatmanfilms]

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	You weren't talking about the past though, were you? You wrote "fail to produce" (present), not "failed to produce" (past). Please try and be more accurate, or it makes you look like you are spreading fake news as part of an agenda. Also, it is a big leap from "not fully audited" to "falsified". Do you have some evidence of falsification?

If the first 30 years did not give a true & fair view, then todays accounts can't be accurate as the starting point was from last years numbers.

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	If the first 30 years did not give a true & fair view, then todays accounts can't be accurate as the starting point was from last years numbers.

You don't understand accounting, do you.

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	If the first 30 years did not give a true & fair view, then todays accounts can't be accurate as the starting point was from last years numbers.

I despair at the state of this comment.

Another instance of you being proven wrong, but instead of admitting it, you again double down. Again. A metaphor for Brexiters, perhaps.

[fatmanfilms]

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	You don't understand accounting, do you.

Perhaps I do, I often don't believe the life of assets or many other assumptions used in accounts. Amazingly accounts get restated at a later date, when the original accounts were signed off as a true & fair view.

Assets & Liabilities on the balance sheet from the past when the accounts were qualified can't be relied on, so there is no way that today's accounts can be as as accurate as is being claimed.

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Perhaps I do, I often don't believe the life of assets or many other assumptions used in accounts. Amazingly accounts get restated at a later date, when the original accounts were signed off as a true & fair view. Assets & Liabilities on the balance sheet from the past when the accounts were qualified can't be relied on, so there is no way that today's accounts can be as as accurate as is being claimed.

Bit of a far cry from your accusation of falsification, though?

That’s like losing your watch and using the opportunity to accuse someone you don’t like of stealing it.

[fatmanfilms]

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	Bit of a far cry from your accusation of falsification, though? That’s like losing your watch and using the opportunity to accuse someone you don’t like of stealing it.

True or False, it's very simple.

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	True or False, it's very simple.

To be fair, the best you seem to have is unsubstantiated suspicion. You can’t make a true or false conclusion out of that. Your opinion is no more or less valid than mine. It is indeed very simple.

[marton]

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	Japanese car manufacturer Nissan has confirmed it is scrapping plans to build a new model in the English city of Sunderland, citing uncertainty over Brexit and further highlighting employers' fears of a no-deal departure by the UK from the European Union. The company had said in 2016 that it would produce the new X-Trail model at its Sunderland factory after getting reassurances from the government over Brexit -- an intervention hailed by Prime Minister Theresa May as a "vote of confidence" in British business after voters backed leaving the EU.

Source

Over 60% voted Leave in Sunderland. Classic example of turkeys voting for Christmas

Nissan has around 7,000 employees in Sunderland today.

[fatmanfilms]

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	To be fair, the best you seem to have is unsubstantiated suspicion. You can’t make a true or false conclusion out of that. Your opinion is no more or less valid than mine. It is indeed very simple.

Unsubstantiated suspicion based on the auditors inability to sign off the accounts without a qualification? Hardly unsubstantiated then

[Fish Paste]

	Quote:	marton
	Source Over 60% voted Leave in Sunderland. Classic example of turkeys voting for Christmas Nissan has around 7,000 employees in Sunderland today.

There are approx 200,000 people of voting age in Sunderland, 300k overall.
Even if everyone at Nissan and associated businesses voted Remain, it wasn’t enough.

Sunderland is Labour. Sunderland voted Leave.
Another reason Labour have not opposed Brexit over the last 2 years, only ‘we’ll get you a better deal’(a better Brexit, but still Bexit).

Labour, in my view, are unelectable after this. All those young people who rushed to join the Labour party to vote in Jeremy and Remain have been sorely betrayed.
That’s a whole demographic voting LibDem/Green next time around.

[Troublawesome]

Next time around there won't be the same amount of factories and jobs so what they vote for won't matter that much.


When a company leaves, they leave for decades. Those redneck places like Sunderland who lost everything after the coal mines closed were given a miracle when a Japanese company invested in their backwater town. They now managed to kick these out as well, anyone think that place will continue to exist in 10 years if Nissan closes the plant?


Brexit is seriously the most retarded exercise in self-harm any nation has ever performed. The Leave areas are literally going to be obliterated after losing all the EU funding and overseas investment, the heavy Remain areas are funnily the ones that perhaps will be able to take the hit and keep going.


None of you Brexiters realize that this works both ways. The same way you hallucinate new trade deals once out of the EU, in the same way hundreds of companies will not want to do business with a non-EU country anymore and prefer someone from within the bloc. You never count the negatives, somehow you thin you'll keep ALL your customers AND get new ones on top....


Anyone living in Switzerland already knows what a pain in the ass it is to order something from the US and have it delivered at their home. Import duties, delays, takes weeks in customs etc etc. Not to mention that all the EU countries will now try to take business away from you by sweetening the deals to UK companies and how easier it will be to operate in the single market instead of outside.

[YuropFlyer]

I think now would be the right time for the EU to stop being nice.

Tell the UK that it got two options left:

1) Stay in the EU, but with all EU agencies gone for good (oops) and the British discount no longer valid (ooooooops!)

2) Hard Brexit. Full support for Ireland to unite and Scotland to secede (and becoming EU member) from whatever left of the UK. Zero cooperation besides whats mandatory by WTO.

All dropped in leaflats from some Me Bf-109 aircrafts flying over London re-painted with an EU flag on the tail. Just to show they're serious.

[Clocker]

	Quote:	Troublawesome
	Anyone living in Switzerland already knows what a pain in the ass it is to order something from the US and have it delivered at their home. Import duties, delays, takes weeks in customs etc etc..

The last time I checked though the EU wasn't in a customs union with the USA, so receiving stuff in the EU from the USA also involves the parcel going through customs. In fact the limit is lower in the EU for parcels coming from non-EU (including USA) destinations than the limit for parcels coming into CH.

[dandi]

	Quote:	YuropFlyer
	I think now would be the right time for the EU to stop being nice. Tell the UK that it got two options left: 1) Stay in the EU, but with all EU agencies gone for good (oops) and the British discount no longer valid (ooooooops!) 2) Hard Brexit. Full support for Ireland to unite and Scotland to secede (and becoming EU member) from whatever left of the UK. Zero cooperation besides whats mandatory by WTO.

Aren't these actually the only options left anyway?

[Clocker]

	Quote:	dandi
	Aren't these actually the only options left anyway?

No, not at all. Another option is leave with no deal, with the Irish border issue unresolved. Both UK and Ireland refuse to implement any border checks whatsoever and the whole thing is just left to flop about... until one day there is enough evidence that the people of Northern Ireland would like a referendum on reuniting with Ireland. How about that option?

[marton]

	Quote:	Clocker
	The last time I checked though the EU wasn't in a customs union with the USA, so receiving stuff in the EU from the USA also involves the parcel going through customs. In fact the limit is lower in the EU for parcels coming from non-EU (including USA) destinations than the limit for parcels coming into CH.

And your point is

[QUOTE=Clocker;3037406the people of Northern Ireland would like a referendum on reuniting with Ireland. How about that option? [/QUOTE]

How many people from NI do you know well and talk to