The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[bigblue2]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	In or out of the EU, this would have likely happened anyway thanks to the free trade deal. What's a far bigger factor however is the death of diesel motors that's currently taking place. There's a hammer blow that's about to land across Europe and the Germans will be most exposed. It's not just the car manufacturers but the thousands of sub-suppliers that will be affected. Falling diesel sales more than Brexit behind Nissan's X-Trail decision

and I call bollocks on that! a new model mean new tooling and production line at that factory which means a huge investment, to make a new car costs hundreds of millions of pounds, so you would only invest that kind of money in a factory you intended to keep running. So for sunderland its looking very bad indeed, once nissan end of life the current range where does that leave them?

Now the incentive to build isn't there they are moving on, ok yesterday they said they would be build in Japan, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if in a couple of months they announce they will be built in eastern europe, they have a plant in russia as well as multiple plants in spain, an of course could use renault factories, eg dacia in romania.

[marton]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	In or out of the EU, this would have likely happened anyway thanks to the free trade deal. What's a far bigger factor however is the death of diesel motors that's currently taking place. There's a hammer blow that's about to land across Europe and the Germans will be most exposed. It's not just the car manufacturers but the thousands of sub-suppliers that will be affected. Falling diesel sales more than Brexit behind Nissan's X-Trail decision

Loz quoting the Guardian! Snowflake

	Quote:	Loz1983
	FAKE NEWS Guardian strikes again https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status...41352124100608 https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status...31696143241217

[Urs Max]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	True or False, it's very simple.

That's a remarkable statement from someone who keeps claiming that accounting is nothing but an opinion.

	Quote:	Urs Max
	That's a remarkable statement from someone who keeps claiming that accounting is nothing but an opinion.

I couldn't help but gulp at the irony of a Brexit supporter clutching at pearls over historical EU accounting when the Leave campaign's own relationship with accounting was, umm.. "creative".

	Quote:	bigblue2
	and I call bollocks on that! a new model mean new tooling and production line at that factory which means a huge investment, to make a new car costs hundreds of millions of pounds, so you would only invest that kind of money in a factory you intended to keep running. So for sunderland its looking very bad indeed, once nissan end of life the current range where does that leave them? Now the incentive to build isn't there they are moving on, ok yesterday they said they would be build in Japan, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if in a couple of months they announce they will be built in eastern europe, they have a plant in russia as well as multiple plants in spain, an of course could use renault factories, eg dacia in romania.

So let me get this right, Nissan are going to open a factory in eastern Europe to build a car that nobody wants and with a motor that will likely soon be banned in Europe anyhow?

[Fish Paste]

If Britain Brexits, we’ll be back in within a generation.

All it takes is the rise of a pro-europe party promising a new referendum, and, so we are led to believe, the remainers (soon to be joiners) will storm it.

[bigblue2]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	So let me get this right, Nissan are going to open a factory in eastern Europe to build a car that nobody wants and with a motor that will likely soon be banned in Europe anyhow?

??? they never said they aren't going to build it, do you ever read the crap you quote??? they said it will be built in JAPAN now instead

Plus they don't have to open a factory in eastern europe, THEY ALREADY HAVE AT LEAST ONE, with the options of using ones branded with marks they also own.

	Quote:	bigblue2
	...do you ever read the crap you quote?

This is a long established trope.

	Quote:	bigblue2
	??? they never said they aren't going to build it, do you ever read the crap you quote??? they said it will be built in JAPAN now instead

Where they already have factories.

Let's see how long they'll be built when no one in Europe wants to buy the bucket of shit anyway.

Meanwhile in Derbyshire, where they also voted Brexit.

Toyota pins post-Brexit hopes on its new Corolla

	Quote:
	This is a long established trope.

I wasn't quoting the article, I was quoting bigblue.

[bigblue2]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Where they already have factories.

they have multiple factories in europe too

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Let's see how long they'll be built when no one in Europe wants to buy the bucket of shit anyway.

wow good argument, its a shit car anyway so it doesn't matter. I'm sure all their uk workers are so happy they won't need to build that piece of crap in future, while they are standing in the dole queues.

<insert random insult here> as I can't be bothered.

[bigblue2]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	I wasn't quoting the article, I was quoting bigblue.

Really?????

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Falling diesel sales more than Brexit behind Nissan's X-Trail decision

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	Urs Max
	That's a remarkable statement from someone who keeps claiming that accounting is nothing but an opinion.

The auditors express an opinion on the accounts, they don't state they are a fact even if Jim does not know the difference & he is an accountant. As far as Banks are concerned it's just a wild guess as neither the Bankers nor Auditors fully understand the implication of their derivative contracts, I suggest the EU's accounts are no better.

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	The auditors express an opinion on the accounts, they don't state they are a fact...

They actually state they are fair and accurate, and have done since 2007. Did you mean they didn't before that? Struggling with tenses again?

	Quote:	bigblue2
	they have multiple factories in europe too wow good argument, its a shit car anyway so it doesn't matter. I'm sure all their uk workers are so happy they won't need to build that piece of crap in future, while they are standing in the dole queues. <insert random insult here> as I can't be bothered.

Rover built shit cars. Rover doesn't exist any more. This led to lots of unhappy Brummies standing in dole queues. But then again Brummies are generally unhappy anyway.

This has nothing to do with making UK workers happy, it's about how much of an influence Brexit had in the decision not to build this car in the UK.

[bigblue2]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Rover built shit cars. Rover doesn't exist any more. This led to lots of unhappy Brummies standing in dole queues. But then again Brummies are generally unhappy anyway. This has nothing to do with making UK workers happy, it's about how much of an influence Brexit had in the decision not to build this car in the UK.

aaaaaaaand back to the chewbacca defense

[Urs Max]

	Quote:	Clocker
	None, but that isn't the point. I just wanted to mention this possibility. It must be up to the people of Northern Ireland (and only them) to be able to vote on what they want. The main problem I have read is that the timing isn't quite right. https://www.politico.eu/article/unit...fication-vote/

Actually such a peaceful arrangement would require a Yes by Eire, NI, and the UK. Anything but a small feat.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:
	They actually state they are fair and accurate, and have done since 2007. Did you mean they didn't before that? Struggling with tenses again?

Auditors state an opinion, I have never read such wording in an auditors report, If you can't give me a link I will assume you made it up.

Auditors generally don't pick up fraud.

Earlier accounts were qualified as you well know.

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Auditors state an opinion, I have never read such wording in an auditors report, If you can't give me a link I will assume you made it up. Auditors generally don't pick up fraud. Earlier accounts were qualified as you well know.

It's literally the same link that I gave you last time. The reason you've never read such wording can only be that you didn't read the link last time, yet decided to give your expert opinion on it.

Sigh.

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Auditors generally don't pick up fraud.

Auditors pick up inconsistencies and discrepancies. The courts then deem whether it's fraud.

Indirectly they do pick up fraud.

I've worked in a company where this was indeed the case.