The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[k_and_e]

	Quote:	greenmount
	....and that should give you a real picture of what Russia means in that region...Btw, it's you who is against EU, the Ukrainians would die to be part of the EU. Why do you think all those things happened, because they loved to be under Russia's command? Are you serious? What kind of games are being played on this forum?

I don't disagree with that. For Ukraine, this would be a huge step forward. The tricky bit for an EU-membership would be that the EU would have a member which is in an armed conflict, so I don't see that happen.

	Quote:	Loz1983
	French women welcomed the Nazis on their backs with their legs in the air

The French are renowned for being the most accomplished lovers in Europe, if not the world. I really doubt that all the French women adopted the missionary position. Source, or this is yet another example of Fake News from Loz.

[Urs Max]

	Quote:	AndyKent
	Switzerland will introduce a quota system allowing Britons to come and work in the country in the event Britain crashes out of the European Union without an exit deal. Under the system 3,500 British citizens coming to Switzerland for the first time will be allowed to work, the Bern government said on Wednesday. The cap for residence permits will be set at 2,100, with an additional 1,400 short-stay permits allowed. The quota, which will apply from March 30 to Dec. 31, is intended to replace the current Agreement of Free Movement of Persons between Switzerland and Britain which runs out March 30.

To put it into a bit of perspective:

Immigration from the UK (nationality, as opposed to residence), emigration numbers in brackets:

2008: 5773 (2642)
2009: 5045 (2521)
2010: 5697 (3501)
2011: 5523 (3325)
2012: 4664 (3687)
2013: 4922 (3681)
2014: 4655 (3783)
2015: 4312 (3853)
2016: 3902 (3830)
2017: 4119 (3435)

	Quote:	Loz1983
	With FMOP there are 43000 Brits living in Switzerland. The Swiss government have very generously offered a 3500 cap. That would allow for an 8% increase in Brits moving every single year. We're very unlikely to come anywhere close to that cap.

The numbers tell a different story.

[Urs Max]

	Quote:	k_and_e
	The Swiss army.

Only if they don't shell them.

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	The French are renowned for being the most accomplished lovers in Europe, if not the world. I really doubt that all the French women adopted the missionary position. Source, or this is yet another example of Fake News from Loz.

He has been intentionally ambiguous in his statement, as he thinks that when he comes to clarify later on, he won't be backtracking.

"French women" could mean 2 or 2 million - he knows what he is implying, we know what the likely amount of French women who willingly did this is, and between we have the incredulity gap, which he is attempting to exploit.

Or maybe I am giving him too much credit and he just wrote whatever shite came into his head.

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	I really doubt that all the French women adopted the missionary position. Source, or this is yet another example of Fake News from Loz.

Didn't the women accused of being /proven to be "Nazi sympathisers" have their heads shaved as punishment and an outward sign of their crime, often by other women? I imagine some French ladies, and ladies of other nationalities, slept with German soldiers for a myriad reasons. But let's not let that get in the way of sensationalism.

[marton]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	You’re either not as intelligent as you think you are or you are the troll. I was replying to a very specific point that DB was making which he has also subsequently repeated. So, which is it?

She was replying to and quoted a post from MC; why do you believe every post is about you?

[NotAllThere]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	French women welcomed the Nazis on their backs with their legs in the air whilst the rest of the country just handed over the keys to the Nazis. How they even got a say in the peace is beyond the realms of comprehension.

Misogynistic and xenophobic. You are doing well.

[TobiasM]

	Quote:
	He has been intentionally ambiguous in his statement, as he thinks that when he comes to clarify later on, he won't be backtracking. "French women" could mean 2 or 2 million - he knows what he is implying, we know what the likely amount of French women who willingly did this is, and between we have the incredulity gap, which he is attempting to exploit. Or maybe I am giving him too much credit and he just wrote whatever shite came into his head.

Loz is just trolling again. It's also offensive to the memory of those that suffered during the occupation. He knows it. He likes to do that. Strangely some people here, who we would assume had higher levels of empathy and intellect, seem to appreciate his sentiment.

[greenmount]

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	Didn't the women accused of being /proven to be "Nazi sympathisers" have their heads shaved as punishment and an outward sign of their crime, often by other women? I imagine some French ladies, and ladies of other nationalities, slept with German soldiers for a myriad reasons. But let's not let that get in the way of sensationalism.

That reminds me of Tornatore's movie "Malena"...couldn't watch some images back then. Yes, some women were doing these sorts of things for obvious reasons. But to imply "French" women or "whatever" women is disingenuous to the core. Some other women were fighting against the nazis. Why is this suddenly relevant? Bring shame on large groups of people?(not asking you Rufus, it's rhetorical)

[TobiasM]

	Quote:	NotAllThere
	Misogynistic and xenophobic. You are doing well.

And as we know, Brexit is the indirect result of one of those things, that is often denied by it's supporters.

I couldn't help getting that in.

[Troublawesome]

Seriously people, just FILTER him instead of letting this thread turn to a huge trolling dump.


https://www.englishforum.ch/profile....ignore&u=14505

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	greenmount
	That reminds me of Tornatore's movie "Malena"...couldn't watch some images back then.

It instantly reminded me of the film 'Carve Her Name With Pride', and the astonishingly brave women of the S.E.O. and French Resistance.

Unfortunately, the truth doesn't fit with some peoples' narrative.

	Quote:	Troublawesome
	Seriously people, just FILTER him instead of letting this thread turn to a huge trolling dump. https://www.englishforum.ch/profile....ignore&u=14505

I think too many of us would miss our daily dose of feeling superior.

	Quote:	greenmount
	That reminds me of Tornatore's movie "Malena"...couldn't watch some images back then. Yes, some women were doing these sorts of things for obvious reasons. But to imply "French" women or "whatever" women is disingenuous to the core. Some other women were fighting against the nazis. Why is this suddenly relevant? Bring shame on large groups of people?(not asking you Rufus, it's rhetorical)

Understood.

[Blueangel]

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	I think too many of us would miss our daily dose of feeling superior.

I wouldn't say that. Personally, I find it intellectually dishonest to exclude opposing views. You have to know what you're up against to hone your position, but I fully accept that not everyone will feel the same way.

[me.anon]

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	I'm constantly astonished by your posts on Brexit and the EU in general. It's extraordinary how short the memories of some of those from Eastern and Central European countries are. Perhaps, deep down, you want to return to the good ol' pre-EU days? Warsaw Pact Invasion, 1968

Those were the death pangs of an empire. We are probably seeing at least one other in a state of collapse.

Anyway, the things that the state security apparatuses of the Eastern Block got up to and we regard as a total assault on "freedom" : Monitoring the citizens every move, reading their mail, watching what they buy, listening to their telephone conversations, maintaining huge data troves etc. etc. we now accept as fully normal (Google, Facebook etc. etc.).

The choices may be either state imposed stability or chaos. Some people prefer stability.

	Quote:	Blueangel
	I wouldn't say that. Personally, I find it intellectually dishonest to exclude opposing views. You have to know what you're up against to hone your position, but I fully accept that not everyone will feel the same way.

There is a world of difference between excluding opposing views and calling out daft nonsense. Loz is entirely welcome to his views and welcome to express them on here. I'm equally welcome to tell him they are nonsense.

[Blueangel]

Back to business...

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	LONDON (Reuters) - Chinese Vice Premier Hu Chunhua has canceled trade talks with Britain’s finance minister Philip Hammond after defense secretary Gavin Williamson threatened to deploy a warship in the Pacific, The Sun newspaper reported on Thursday. Hu was due to hold trade talks with Hammond this weekend, it said. The newspaper said Hu canceled the talks in protest at Williamson’s speech on Monday.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-b...-idUSKCN1Q312U

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	There is a world of difference between excluding opposing views and calling out daft nonsense. Loz is entirely welcome to his views and welcome to express them on here. I'm equally welcome to tell him they are nonsense.

This.

I think you're all wrong. All of you. Yes, even you, that person reading every post and never commenting. You know who you are!

You're all wrong, but I enjoy reading your posts nonetheless. Except the non-existent posts by the lurkers, obviously.

But they're still wrong too.