The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	amogles
	But then you're not comparing yourself to people with the same qualifications as yourself. Language is a qualification too.

The goal posts were, equal applicants for a role in Switzerland. My sole advantage would be my EU1 status over the specific nationalities given. DB moved the goal posts.

If the other applicants had been from other EU 1 countries, I do not believe being British would have been beneficial in the slightest.

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	From those countries on Blueangel's list then for one already and in future probably 2 of those probably not any more, or at least in the medium term future. Romania already is EU and Serbia probably will be one day. Any EU employer faced with a Brit for whom he has to jump various paperwork hurdles and squeeze into a quota is likely in future to plump for an equally qualified (by your definition) Romanian. Probably Swiss employers as well.

... presuming the bilateral agreements are still in place.

But even then you're blithely choosing to ignore the Anglo privilege from which so many of us have certainly benefited.

I'm beginning to understand the frustration of some of my American activist friends when they try to explain white privilege...

	Quote:	Blueangel
	The goal posts were, equal applicants for a role in Switzerland. My sole advantage would be my EU1 status over the specific nationalities given. DB moved the goal posts. If the other applicants had been from other EU 1 countries, I do not believe being British would have been beneficial in the slightest.

I didn't move any goalposts. I was giving further examples of privileges which you would also probably deny giving you unfair advantages over other applicants.

Is this really so hard for you to understand?

[TobiasM]

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	Thank you for proving the point I've been making for two and a half years. You just can't help yourself, can you?

*sigh*, what point?, please enlighten us all DB, oh fount of infinite knowledge!

[Troublawesome]

Get a room, we don't care.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	Dougal's Breakfast
	Is this really so hard for you to understand?

I fully understand. The simple fact is that personally, I cannot offer a single instance when my nationality offered me any advantage over other EU1 member state nationals in Switzerland.

	Quote:	Blueangel
	I fully understand. The simple fact is that personally, I cannot offer a single instance when my nationality offered me any advantage over other EU1 member state nationals in Switzerland.

Indeed. Most of my American friends can't provide an instance of when their whiteness offered...

Oh never mind. You genuinely don't understand the notion of privilege. I don't understand our cantonal tax forms. We can't all understand everything.

[Blueangel]

I fully understand the notion of privilege, however, in Switzerland, my privilege is entirely based upon being from an EU1 country. Now back to my tax forms

[greenmount]

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	From those countries on Blueangel's list then for one already and in future probably 2 of those probably not any more, or at least in the medium term future. Romania already is EU and Serbia probably will be one day. Any EU employer faced with a Brit for whom he has to jump various paperwork hurdles and squeeze into a quota is likely in future to plump for an equally qualified (by your definition) Romanian. Probably Swiss employers as well.

I don't think it's a problem in the EU now (but only since 2014!), but it still is in CH...I, for one, have never benefited from the freedom of movement. I was squeezed here in a quota, on an L permit first. DB has a point.

	Quote:	Blueangel
	I fully understand. The simple fact is that personally, I cannot offer a single instance when my nationality offered me any advantage over other EU1 member state nationals in Switzerland.

I think it only offers an advantage if you are German, Austrian, French, Belgium (Wallonia or Brussels), Luxembourgian or Italian, in cases where there is a requirement for a native speaker.

[John William]

	Quote:	Troublawesome
	Seriously people, just FILTER him instead of letting this thread turn to a huge trolling dump. https://www.englishforum.ch/profile....ignore&u=14505

No send him to one of the remotest British Overseas Territories from the list below -
I reckon Tristan da Cunha would be favourite for him.

	Quote:	John William
	The British Overseas territories - which is a must see for the intrepid explorer Expats amongst us and includes: The Falkland Islands - loads of penguins and plenty of sheep to count for Expats who are hardy enough to move over there, with Port Stanley's The Upland Goose Hotel being the favourite pub of the Falklands War. British Antarctic territory - suffice to say its cold outside down in the Antarctic !! British Indian Ocean territory - which really means Diego Garcia, British Expats could really boast that they are living on an island of immense strategic importance, if they moved to Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean. British Virgin Islands - a must see for British Expats seeking tax havens abroad. Caymen Islands - also for British Expats looking for a different view while seeking tax havens abroad. Anguilla - even more British tax havens for Expats to consider and explore. Bermuda - This one being better than others. Montserrat - Warning !! This island comes with its own exclusion zone when a previously extinct volcano erupted in 1995 and buried half the island including Plymouth, the capital of city of Montserrat under volcanic ash. Suffice to say Montserrat is not for the faint hearted British Expat !! Pitcairn, Henderson, Ducie and Oeno Islands - Pitcairn being populated by the descendants of Fletcher Christian and his merry band of mutineers from the 1789 Mutiny on the Bounty. In fact many of them still live in fear of The Royal Navy to this day !! Saint Helena - An idyllic island in the South Atlantic made famous as an early retirement home for Napoleon Bonaparte, as a consolation prize for losing the Battle of Waterloo back in 1815. Saint Marie - If it's Death in Paradise that British Expats are looking for then look no further than Saint Marie !! Ascension Island - Great place for British Expat plane spotters, who will be spoiled for choice, identifying varies types of RAF aircraft dropping in on the RAF base on Ascension, while enroute to and from the Falklands. Tristan da Cunha - This island is the British Overseas territories answer to The Restaurant at the End of the Universe ( from Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy ) situated slap bang in the middle of the South Atlantic, with no airport and no regular passenger ship or ferry service. You more or less disappear off the face of the earth when you move to Tristan da Cunha !! Making Tristan da Cunha the ultimate destination for British Expats who truely want to get away from it all. South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands - South Georgia being famous as the island that sparked the Falklands War, when Argentine scrap metal merchants raised the Argentine flag over the island in 1982. Turks and Caicos Islands - yes your right it's somewhere in the Caribbean.

	Quote:	Blueangel
	Facts vs your outdated belief. The onus is on you to fill out your belief to make it persuasive. Whether you care to do that is another matter, and only you can decide.

Oh come on, I'm sorry but there still is that bias, conscious or otherwise in favour of "English men". Being over fifty, white, wealthy, British (educated) and male is still about the "best" socio-ecomonic combo there is. I don't care what the stats say. Unless I've missed the jist, which is possible as I've been out for a fairly boozy lunch.

[MusicChick]

I tend to think it is more....ethical to hold folks accountable for some unfair privileges only if they actually abuse it or are jackasses about it.

[Urs Max]

	Quote:	Chuff
	Dude come on... if you were a French woman and had the chance to keep yourself and your family safe from harm and well-fed by sleeping with a German officer... are you trying to tell us that you wouldn't, when you know people are routinely beaten and shot and food is scarce? Self-preservation makes people do a lot of things that they don't necessarily want to do and there is nothing surprising or even morally wrong about the majority of those women doing what they did.

A rather odd statement considering the fact that it comes from someone who bashes Switzerland for its role during WW2.

[MusicChick]

Everyone bashes CH for its role during the WW2.

[greenmount]

	Quote:	Urs Max
	A rather odd statement considering the fact that it comes from someone who bashes Switzerland for its role during WW2.

I thought it was Tom bashing (the other one) not...Chuff. Goodness, a sentence I would have never thought I'd write down before EF...

[Chuff]

	Quote:	Urs Max
	A rather odd statement considering the fact that it comes from someone who bashes Switzerland for its role during WW2.

What gibberish are you talking now, Urs?

	Quote:	Loz1983
	So it’s not Brexit but manufacturing an enormous plane that nobody wants that is a threat to jobs. Airbus scraps A380 superjumbo jet as sales slump

You’re the only one that invented a link to Brexit. Even the Beeb article didn’t mention it.

[Urs Max]

	Quote:	greenmount
	I thought it was Tom bashing (the other one) not...Chuff. Goodness, a sentence I would have never thought I'd write down before EF...

I don't care too much about who wrote it, it probably could have come from the majority of the active posters. Except for the morality thing I fully agree with what I quoted, only a full stomach can afford to have morals.

What I take issue with is the double standards he displays. That they're commonplace, as MC notes, doesn't make them any better. Especially when they come from people who have no problems at all with profiting from the fruits of what they bash and apparently despise.

[Urs Max]

	Quote:	Chuff
	What gibberish are you talking now, Urs?

Why should I bother, it's gibberish anyway.