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View Poll Results: What would you personally prefer to happen?
I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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Old 14.02.2019, 18:20
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You’re the only one that invented a link to Brexit. Even the Beeb article didn’t mention it.
He's trying to link it to Airbus statements from a few days ago that Brexit will mean them having to rethink their UK manufacturing base. Which has zero to do with this story.

Actually the only point of the A380 story is stopping the production of that particular aircraft. Airbus have plenty of A320, 330 and 350 orders to keep those lines busy. The only direct impact of the A380 will be some short-term closures while the A380 lines are converted to the other types.

Unless (and not mentioned in the story) they use the opportunity to already reduce their UK footprint.
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Old 14.02.2019, 18:32
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I don't care too much about who wrote it, it probably could have come from the majority of the active posters. Except for the morality thing I fully agree with what I quoted, only a full stomach can afford to have morals.

What I take issue with is the double standards he displays. That they're commonplace, as MC notes, doesn't make them any better. Especially when they come from people who have no problems at all with profiting from the fruits of what they bash and apparently despise.
You mean like....EU? Sorry, couldn't resist.
I get what you say, but I think it's normal to have less favourable opinions in regards with some issues, no matter which country is discussed (I personally don't care about Switzerland's role during WW2 as I don't really care about the British class system either). People discuss. They might even change their opinions at one point or another.
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Old 14.02.2019, 18:40
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3 network have confirmed no changes in roaming charges regardless of a deal or not.

UK won't be making any more wings for the A380 as the plane will be discounted, nothing to do with BREXIT

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Old 14.02.2019, 19:03
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UK won't be making any more wings for the A380 as the plane will be discounted, nothing to do with BREXIT
To be fair, it was only Loz that linked it with Brexit. Nobody else (errmm, well apart from you now ) made any Brexit connection with Airbus’ decision.
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Old 14.02.2019, 19:04
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3 network have confirmed no changes in roaming charges regardless of a deal or not.

UK won't be making any more wings for the A380 as the plane will be discounted, nothing to do with BREXIT

Reality 2 project fear 0
Does Britain losing manufacturing (apparently not as a result of Brexit) really count as a plus point? You've an odd scoring system FMF!
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Old 14.02.2019, 19:14
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To be fair, it was only Loz that linked it with Brexit. Nobody else (errmm, well apart from you now ) made any Brexit connection with Airbus’ decision.
Brexit or not, it's a pity as they are impressive planes to see.
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Old 14.02.2019, 19:17
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Does Britain losing manufacturing (apparently not as a result of Brexit) really count as a plus point? You've an odd scoring system FMF!
It's neutral as far as this thread is concerned, Project fear had mentioned loss of AirBus wing production.
Electric cars as you know are the future, engine & gearbox production will also be lost soon.
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Old 14.02.2019, 19:19
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Electric cars as you know are the future, engine & gearbox production will also be lost soon.
We can but hope. Losing access to joint research projects and the scientific clout of the EU doesn't fill me with hope that Britain will be at the forefront of this foray into the brave new world of green, renewable energy though
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Old 14.02.2019, 19:23
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We can but hope. Losing access to joint research projects and the scientific clout of the EU doesn't fill me with hope that Britain will be at the forefront of this foray into the brave new world of green, renewable energy though
I did not believe the EU was, you drive a Tesla IIRC.
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I did not believe the EU was, you drive a Tesla IIRC.
I do indeed. There is a strong EU drive towards renewable energy (Europe 2020 strategy) - currently the UK is towards the back of the pack in renewable energy generation and I fear it is unlikely to be a priority in a weakened economy.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47245992

Prime Minister Theresa May has suffered a fresh defeat in a Commons vote on her Brexit strategy by 303 to 258.
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Old 14.02.2019, 21:42
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I'm reading rumours of an announcement at 20.00 GMT.
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Old 14.02.2019, 21:45
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And Labour MPs are threatening to resign.. we might wake up to a new political party tomorrow.
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Old 14.02.2019, 21:47
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I'm reading rumours of an announcement at 20.00 GMT.
May stepping down, maybe? Would make sense given the lack of progress thus far.

Although I doubt anyone else will be able to squeeze any more out of it.
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Old 14.02.2019, 22:08
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47245992

Prime Minister Theresa May has suffered a fresh defeat in a Commons vote on her Brexit strategy by 303 to 258.
I am losing the plot, I thought Parliament voted against a no-deal Brexit a while ago? Certainly the House of Lords did!

Lots of votes "against" stuff but no votes "for" what?
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Old 14.02.2019, 22:49
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I'm constantly astonished by your posts on Brexit and the EU in general. It's extraordinary how short the memories of some of those from Eastern and Central European countries are. Perhaps, deep down, you want to return to the good ol' pre-EU days?



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Old 14.02.2019, 23:11
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As per usual, you conveniently left out a couple of bits of salient information. You are quoting stats for the period 1941-49. There is no agreed figure, but it is between 75-200k, let's say 150k for simplicity's sake. There were 6.4m births in that time, which means as a percentage, births to German fathers are running at about 2.3%, given that presumably many of the women involved probably had multiple births to the same (or maybe even multiple) German fathers, we are looking at 1% or less of all births.

So, you are judging a group by the actions of a small minority of them. Not like you
Now take into consideration the women not stupid enough to get themselves pregnant, the demographic of women who engaged themselves with their new occupiers and the fact that the south of the country wasn't invaded until the very end of 1942. It really happened. Mainly in Paris, but certainly not limited to.

When you have a spare half day go and watch the hard going but worthwhile documentary Le Chargrin et la Pitié. It tells a story where many of the French, certainly in the early part of the occupation, were only too happy to have the Nazis there. The bottom line is that they had no business having a place at the top table after the war.
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Brexit or not, it's a pity as they are impressive planes to see.
A failing enormous project that was too expensive and which nobody now wants...

But enough about the EU.
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Now take into consideration the women not stupid enough to get themselves pregnant, the demographic of women who engaged themselves with their new occupiers and the fact that the south of the country wasn't invaded until the very end of 1942. It really happened. Mainly in Paris, but certainly not limited to.

When you have a spare half day go and watch the hard going but worthwhile documentary Le Chargrin et la Pitié. It tells a story where many of the French, certainly in the early part of the occupation, were only too happy to have the Nazis there. The bottom line is that they had no business having a place at the top table after the war.
I thought the bottom line was that all French women were slags in the 40s? Make your mind up.
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