The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

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	The UK already had incredibly favourable terms, no Schengen, no Euro, a significant rebate.

So you admit that having the Euro and being in Schengen would be unfavourable terms, then?

[Blueangel]

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	How indeed- they have shown incredible patience. Do you think they should have let the UK have 'their cake and eat it- and with unicorns on top'?

The ERG want to move in next door, deny the kids are theirs and refuse to pay maintenance, yet still expect their dinner to be delivered to the doorstep at the usual time, whilst coming home screaming drunk every night with a different slapper and keeping the whole street awake whilst they're bonking her.

May's deal wants to move in next door with their new bit of fluff, call round every night for their dinner and with their dirty washing for you to do, and expects a blow job whilst they're there.

This isn't a messy divorce. It's enough to keep Jeremy Kyle going for the next millennia.

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	So you admit that having the Euro and being in Schengen would be unfavourable terms, then?

Not really - often wonder, actually. But what I meant was 'favourable terms' in the sense that they requested them and were granted them - so giving the UK a unique Deal already.

[Clocker]

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	In which way is EU a bully?

I didn't use that word in my post.

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	UK already had incredibly favourable terms, no Schengen, no Euro, a significant rebate.

Has. Brexit still hasn't happened. Other countries have these terms as well.

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	How?

Total inflexibility for a start. This is clearly backfiring on them though as its causing just as many problems for them as for the UK.

[Sky]

The wait is heart-wrenching

I worry a lot about how it will be if there's a no-deal.

By the time my partner can retire and join me here, we'll be past the transition period, let alone a no-deal, and the unknown just stresses me.

Moreover I love the UK and I find that what the people believe over there versus what is, is immensely different.
I hope they are right and that nothing or little will change, yet seen from the outside, it feels like a completely different world.
The opinions are so diverse it's hard to believe that we're discussing the same subject.

[Mikers]

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	The wait is heart-wrenching I worry a lot about how it will be if there's a no-deal. By the time my partner can retire and join me here, we'll be past the transition period, let alone a no-deal, and the unknown just stresses me. Moreover I love the UK and I find that what the people believe over there versus what is, is immensely different. I hope they are right and that nothing or little will change, yet seen from the outside, it feels like a completely different world. The opinions are so diverse it's hard to believe that we're discussing the same subject.

I’ve been thinking about this. And i have a serious point: why isn’t Noel Edmonds doing our deal negotiation ? Here is a man who has spent the last 10 years dedicating his life to working out whether there is a Deal or Not a Deal and we’ve completely overlooked him. Is it worth calling Theresa in case she hasn’t thought of it ?

[Sky]

You're taking the Mikers
Apologies for my lack of British education.

Just very surprised by the immense difference in opinions and feelings between the people living in the heart of the country and the rest of Europe.

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	I’ve been thinking about this. And i have a serious point: why isn’t Noel Edmonds doing our deal negotiation ? Here is a man who has spent the last 10 years dedicating his life to working out whether there is a Deal or Not a Deal and we’ve completely overlooked him. Is it worth calling Theresa in case she hasn’t thought of it ?

Wrongfoot the buggers! Send in Mr Blobby!

That'll throw them!

... although on second thoughts they've already got a horrible creature which is unsteady on his feet and speaks gobbledygook as President of the Commission...

[Sky]

Surviving you lot should by a UK citizenship requirement.
And you show no mercy to those who don't understand the very different idioms or who do not share the collective memory.

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	Surviving you lot should by a UK citizenship requirement. And you show no mercy to those who don't understand the very different idioms or who do not share the collective memory.

English people are not European. Even Odile acknowledged their awkwardness (because let's be honest here: it isn't the Scots who object to everything the EEC stood for and the EU stands for). The English people have never been interested in integrating, or going full steam ahead into a united Europe. The English are a conservative bunch, and stubborn too. Throw a toaster in a swimming pool and tell the English to get out and they'll hurl abuse at you and stay where they are.

It should be no surprise that most English people (at least the ones in England, rather than those who emigrated and have 'world citizen' pretentions) see Brexit differently to people in Europe.

Even the Remainers I know back home just want May to get on with it, one way or the other. It's the uncertainty that annoys people as much as anything.

And when did English people ever deal with anything without taking the piss?

This is why we don't belong in the EU.

[Clocker]

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	no surprise that most English people (at least the ones in England, rather than those who emigrated and have 'world citizen' pretentions) see Brexit differently to people in Europe..

With the exception of those in Switzerland, Liechtenstein, Norway and Iceland who also have no interest in joining the EU.

Clocker, do remind me, which other EU country has been able to negotiate

No Schengen
No Euro
Big rebate

Thanks.

[John William]

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	With the exception of those in Switzerland, Liechtenstein, Norway and Iceland who also have no interest in joining the EU.

Although in the eyes of the ERG the above countries ( with some exceptions for Switzerland ) will
forever be condemned as Vassals of the EU, being rule takers rather than rule makers.

[TobiasM]

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	English people are not European. Even Odile acknowledged their awkwardness (because let's be honest here: it isn't the Scots who object to everything the EEC stood for and the EU stands for). The English people have never been interested in integrating, or going full steam ahead into a united Europe. The English are a conservative bunch, and stubborn too. Throw a toaster in a swimming pool and tell the English to get out and they'll hurl abuse at you and stay where they are. It should be no surprise that most English people (at least the ones in England, rather than those who emigrated and have 'world citizen' pretentions) see Brexit differently to people in Europe. Even the Remainers I know back home just want May to get on with it, one way or the other. It's the uncertainty that annoys people as much as anything. And when did English people ever deal with anything without taking the piss? This is why we don't belong in the EU.

I think the referendum votes tell a completely different story to the one you are perpetuating DB. It wasn’t a huge majority win by any means. And since the referendum more people have expressed regret at their decision, while a whole generation unable to vote, who now can, are gutted they couldn’t help keep Britain in the EU.

[greenmount]

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	You're taking the Mikers Apologies for my lack of British education. Just very surprised by the immense difference in opinions and feelings between the people living in the heart of the country and the rest of Europe.

We were given quotes from Cecil Rhodes earlier on this thread....That's the spirit in the Leave camp...

Yes, those who believed the NHS would get a massive boost, but now realise it may soon be for sale to USA in exchange for deals. Those who believed there would be less brown faces, but Brexit was about EU immigration only- and now realise that 10s of 1000s of visas will have to be given in exchange for deals. Those who were told Turkey would join the EU, and that we would have a EU army forced upon US- and now know it is total non-sense. Those who were told not a single job would be lost, but now see themselves, their family and community losing 1000s of jobs. Those in agriculture who believed that when the EU workers leave they would get the jobs, but with less hours and better conditions and wages - and now realise that was nonsense- and the agriculture sector will be decimated- and that the USA and others are asking the UK to drop workers' rights and conditions, drop animal and product sanitation- and welfare. That not only will the chickens be chlorinated and full of antiobotics and ****, they will be sent to China for cheap processing before being sent to us to eat and on, and on. No paragraphs ...

and on and on - getting back control, they said

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	I think the referendum votes tell a completely different story to the one you are perpetuating DB. It wasn’t a huge majority win by any means. And since the referendum more people have expressed regret at their decision, while a whole generation unable to vote, who now can, are gutted they couldn’t help keep Britain in the EU.

I can count the enthusiastic English EU citizens I know personally on the fingers of one hand.

On the other hand, I know several dozen pragmatic "Better In Than Out" supporters who voted Remain for practical reasons.

There isn't any great love for the EU in England, even amongst Remainers.

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	I can count the enthusiastic English EU citizens I know personally on the fingers of one hand. On the other hand, I know several dozen pragmatic "Better In Than Out" supporters who voted Remain for practical reasons. There isn't any great love for the EU in England, even amongst Remainers.

I can count the enthusiatic English Leavers I know personally on the fingers of one hand- and only one is still enthusiastic- the others are devastated they made the wrong assessment of the situation and that they were conned, in so many ways.

And among the Remainers I know, there is massive enthusiasm for remaining in the EU - because we are much stronger together than separate to deal with USA, China, Russia, etc - and because we need to tackle so many important issues jointly, and join forces for research, innovation, etc, and all young people I know also because they want FOM. Most are in favour of some Reform in the EU, that is true.

So anecdotal versus anecdotal ...

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	I can count the enthusiatic English Leavers I know personally on the fingers of one hand- and only one is still enthusiastic- the others are devastated they made the wrong assessment of the situation and that they were conned, in so many ways. And among the Remainers I know, there is massive enthusiasm for remaining in the EU - because we are much stronger together than separate to deal with USA, China, Russia, etc - and because we need to tackle so many important issues jointly, and join forces for research, innovation, etc, and all young people I know also because they want FOM. Most are in favour of some Reform in the EU, that is true. So anecdotal versus anecdotal ...

Every reason you gave in the second paragraph is pragmatic.

You've actually just proved my point: almost nobody in England loves the EU. They just like it for what they can get from it.

Like I said.

Makes sense.