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View Poll Results: What would you personally prefer to happen?
I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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Old 18.02.2019, 15:59
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Itís only seven of them.
More of a splinter than a split.

Chuka seems a decent bloke, good luck to them, hopefully a few more join them.

Well decent as in heís got some balls anyway.
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Old 18.02.2019, 16:15
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For example, the lack of democratic control in themes like the EU expansion policy, ECB programmes, migration.
Where's the democratic control in the typical EU member state? Where do you have a direct say even on the bigger issues on a regular basis, how often do you vote in the UK on those topics?
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Old 18.02.2019, 16:25
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Honda UK closure due to be announced.

http://news.sky.com/story/honda-to-s...ctory-11641154
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Basically most problems (economic or otherwise) in Europe and beyond with any remote connection to the UK are going to be blamed on Brexit for the next generation.
So nothing's gonna change.
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Old 18.02.2019, 16:30
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Honda UK closure due to be announced.

http://news.sky.com/story/honda-to-s...ctory-11641154
Japan has signed trade deal with the EU, there are now no tariffs on Japanese cars. Cars can now be manufactured in Japan and shipped to the EU tariff free.
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Old 18.02.2019, 17:02
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Japan has signed trade deal with the EU, there are now no tariffs on Japanese cars. Cars can now be manufactured in Japan and shipped to the EU tariff free.
How is that of any help to the UK?
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Old 18.02.2019, 17:03
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How is that of any help to the UK?
None whatsoever, but I'm merely pointing out that Brexit is unlikely to be the cause of this closure.
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Old 18.02.2019, 17:11
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So nothing's gonna change.
Until now some things have been blamed on the EU and mainly rightly so. Henceforth I would expect a lot of problems to be blamed on Brexit. It's what people do though, blame something - even when that thing isn't to blame.
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None whatsoever, but I'm merely pointing out that Brexit is unlikely to be the cause of this closure.
Time will tell - we shall see if the Japanese car companies close their factories in Germany, France, Belgium etc.
I doubt Brexit has helped the UK plants' case anyway, it would be a complete faff to have to import into the EU after Brexit, until some kind of trade deal is done.
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Until now some things have been blamed on the EU and mainly rightly so. Henceforth I would expect a lot of problems to be blamed on Brexit. It's what people do though, blame something - even when that thing isn't to blame.
I guess May and her government are currently trying to calculate how much mileage and deflection they can get out of blaming the EU and Brexit for all their shortcomings post-Brexit before the British public starts to suspect that the common denominator in all the problems is, actually, the government itself. Sovereign-style.

I wonder how long they can keep the popular tabloids on-side to help them out..?
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Old 18.02.2019, 17:58
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Japan has signed trade deal with the EU, there are now no tariffs on Japanese cars. Cars can now be manufactured in Japan and shipped to the EU tariff free.
I'm struggling to see how this fact in any way supports your contention that the UK should be outside the EU. I mean, what a shame the UK doesn't have a tariff-free deal with the EU (or Japan), eh? Then Honda might not have to move out of post-Brexit UK. But that has nothing to do with Brexit.
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Old 18.02.2019, 18:01
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None whatsoever, but I'm merely pointing out that Brexit is unlikely to be the cause of this closure.
And you donít think Japan were looking at getting new deals, with the threat of Brexit looming over access to the EU? And a factory closure the result of tariffs being lifted? Of course itís not beneficial for the UK, but beneficial for Japan and the EU. Any denial of this seems odd!
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And you donít think Japan were looking at getting new deals, with the threat of Brexit looming over access to the EU? And a factory closure the result of tariffs being lifted? Of course itís not beneficial for the UK, but beneficial for Japan and the EU. Any denial of this seems odd!
How is the closure of a manufacturing plant in the UK and moving production to Japan beneficial to the EU?

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I'm struggling to see how this fact in any way supports your contention that the UK should be outside the EU. I mean, what a shame the UK doesn't have a tariff-free deal with the EU (or Japan), eh? Then Honda might not have to move out of post-Brexit UK. But that has nothing to do with Brexit.
Because there is more to leaving the EU than where the Honda Civic is made.
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How is the closure of a manufacturing plant in the UK and moving production to Japan beneficial to the EU?
Because people in the EU get the cars cheaper than us, i.e. without tax, innit?
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How is the closure of a manufacturing plant in the UK and moving production to Japan beneficial to the EU?



Because there is more to leaving the EU than where the Honda Civic is made.
Japan have a trade agreement with the EU...

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Because people in the EU get the cars cheaper than us, i.e. without tax, innit?
Cheaper than the UK is not a benefit unless theyíre cheaper than before, which they wonít be.

BTW, remember this?

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Old 18.02.2019, 18:37
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Because there is more to leaving the EU than where the Honda Civic is made.
There are thousands of reasons not to leave the EU. There's just one of them.
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Cheaper than the UK is not a benefit unless they’re cheaper than before, which they won’t be.

BTW, remember this?
More expensive than before is a disadvantage though, right? Not having 3,500 jobs is a disadvantage too, right?

Anything that is a relative advantage over a near rival with whom you will shortly be beginning to negotiate a trade deal is a benefit; not sure I should be having to explain this.
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None whatsoever, but I'm merely pointing out that Brexit is unlikely to be the cause of this closure.
What facts do you base that assumption on? After Brexit their UK factory would be (or will be, for a shortish while) outside of the EEA/FTA, with the move to Japan they're back inside. That removes a lot of barriers of many kinds, reinstalls predictability and thereby calculability.
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Some of you may find this illuminating, funny and for others, merely tedious nonsense.


I rather enjoy John Oliver myself, and his explanation of Brexit.

https://youtu.be/HaBQfSAVt0s
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