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View Poll Results: What would you personally prefer to happen? | |
I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union
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I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU
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I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK
|    | 22 | 10.38% | |
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing
|    | 23 | 10.85% | |
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us
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I don't really care
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18.02.2019, 14:59
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| Quote: | |  | | | It’s only seven of them.
More of a splinter than a split.
Chuka seems a decent bloke, good luck to them, hopefully a few more join them.
Well decent as in he’s got some balls anyway. | | | | | | Quote: |  | | | If the new political party coming from the #LabourSplit isn't called 'Chuka Vision' then they should frankly not bother | | | | |  | | This user would like to thank for this useful post: | |
18.02.2019, 15:15
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| Quote: | | | | | For example, the lack of democratic control in themes like the EU expansion policy, ECB programmes, migration. | | | | | Where's the democratic control in the typical EU member state? Where do you have a direct say even on the bigger issues on a regular basis, how often do you vote in the UK on those topics?
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18.02.2019, 15:25
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18.02.2019, 15:25
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| Quote: | | | | | Basically most problems (economic or otherwise) in Europe and beyond with any remote connection to the UK are going to be blamed on Brexit for the next generation.  | | | | | So nothing's gonna change.
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18.02.2019, 15:30
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| Quote: | | | | | | | | | | Japan has signed trade deal with the EU, there are now no tariffs on Japanese cars. Cars can now be manufactured in Japan and shipped to the EU tariff free.
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18.02.2019, 16:02
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| Quote: | | | | | Japan has signed trade deal with the EU, there are now no tariffs on Japanese cars. Cars can now be manufactured in Japan and shipped to the EU tariff free. | | | | | How is that of any help to the UK?
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18.02.2019, 16:03
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| Quote: | | | | | How is that of any help to the UK? | | | | | None whatsoever, but I'm merely pointing out that Brexit is unlikely to be the cause of this closure.
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18.02.2019, 16:11
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| Quote: | | | | | So nothing's gonna change. | | | | | Until now some things have been blamed on the EU and mainly rightly so. Henceforth I would expect a lot of problems to be blamed on Brexit. It's what people do though, blame something - even when that thing isn't to blame.
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18.02.2019, 16:16
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| Quote: | | | | | None whatsoever, but I'm merely pointing out that Brexit is unlikely to be the cause of this closure. | | | | | Time will tell - we shall see if the Japanese car companies close their factories in Germany, France, Belgium etc.
I doubt Brexit has helped the UK plants' case anyway, it would be a complete faff to have to import into the EU after Brexit, until some kind of trade deal is done.
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18.02.2019, 16:16
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| Quote: | | | | | Until now some things have been blamed on the EU and mainly rightly so. Henceforth I would expect a lot of problems to be blamed on Brexit. It's what people do though, blame something - even when that thing isn't to blame. | | | | | I guess May and her government are currently trying to calculate how much mileage and deflection they can get out of blaming the EU and Brexit for all their shortcomings post-Brexit before the British public starts to suspect that the common denominator in all the problems is, actually, the government itself. Sovereign-style. 
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18.02.2019, 16:58
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| Quote: | | | | | Japan has signed trade deal with the EU, there are now no tariffs on Japanese cars. Cars can now be manufactured in Japan and shipped to the EU tariff free. | | | | | I'm struggling to see how this fact in any way supports your contention that the UK should be outside the EU. I mean, what a shame the UK doesn't have a tariff-free deal with the EU (or Japan), eh? Then Honda might not have to move out of post-Brexit UK. But that has nothing to do with Brexit.
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18.02.2019, 17:01
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| Quote: | | | | | None whatsoever, but I'm merely pointing out that Brexit is unlikely to be the cause of this closure. | | | | | And you don’t think Japan were looking at getting new deals, with the threat of Brexit looming over access to the EU? And a factory closure the result of tariffs being lifted? Of course it’s not beneficial for the UK, but beneficial for Japan and the EU. Any denial of this seems odd!
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18.02.2019, 17:14
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| Quote: | | | | | And you don’t think Japan were looking at getting new deals, with the threat of Brexit looming over access to the EU? And a factory closure the result of tariffs being lifted? Of course it’s not beneficial for the UK, but beneficial for Japan and the EU. Any denial of this seems odd! | | | | | How is the closure of a manufacturing plant in the UK and moving production to Japan beneficial to the EU? | Quote: | | | | I'm struggling to see how this fact in any way supports your contention that the UK should be outside the EU. I mean, what a shame the UK doesn't have a tariff-free deal with the EU (or Japan), eh? Then Honda might not have to move out of post-Brexit UK. But that has nothing to do with Brexit. | | | | | Because there is more to leaving the EU than where the Honda Civic is made.
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18.02.2019, 17:16
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| Quote: | | | | | How is the closure of a manufacturing plant in the UK and moving production to Japan beneficial to the EU? | | | | | Because people in the EU get the cars cheaper than us, i.e. without tax, innit?
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18.02.2019, 17:17
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| Quote: | | | | | How is the closure of a manufacturing plant in the UK and moving production to Japan beneficial to the EU?
Because there is more to leaving the EU than where the Honda Civic is made. | | | | | Japan have a trade agreement with the EU...
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18.02.2019, 17:23
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| Quote: | | | | Because people in the EU get the cars cheaper than us, i.e. without tax, innit? | | | | | Cheaper than the UK is not a benefit unless they’re cheaper than before, which they won’t be.
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18.02.2019, 17:37
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| Quote: | | | | | Because there is more to leaving the EU than where the Honda Civic is made. | | | | | There are thousands of reasons not to leave the EU. There's just one of them.
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18.02.2019, 17:42
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| Quote: | | | | | Cheaper than the UK is not a benefit unless they’re cheaper than before, which they won’t be.
BTW, remember this? | | | | | More expensive than before is a disadvantage though, right? Not having 3,500 jobs is a disadvantage too, right?
Anything that is a relative advantage over a near rival with whom you will shortly be beginning to negotiate a trade deal is a benefit; not sure I should be having to explain this.
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18.02.2019, 20:16
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| Quote: | | | | | None whatsoever, but I'm merely pointing out that Brexit is unlikely to be the cause of this closure. | | | | | What facts do you base that assumption on? After Brexit their UK factory would be (or will be, for a shortish while) outside of the EEA/FTA, with the move to Japan they're back inside. That removes a lot of barriers of many kinds, reinstalls predictability and thereby calculability.
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18.02.2019, 20:25
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Some of you may find this illuminating, funny and for others, merely tedious nonsense.
I rather enjoy John Oliver myself, and his explanation of Brexit. https://youtu.be/HaBQfSAVt0s | |
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