The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[bigblue2]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Oh look, nothing to do with Brexit. Honda announces global automobile manufacturing restructure HONDA ANNOUNCES PROPOSAL TO CEASE PRODUCTION AT ITS SWINDON FACTORY IN 2021

The trade deal with the EU obviously has an impact, they can make the cars back home and pay nothing to import them into the EU, whereas cars built in the UK *may* incur import charges, also parts etc they need could be held up.

Its all part and parcel of it, which factory do you close, they one surrounded in uncertainty and incompetence or the one that isn't?

pretty naive to thing brexit didn't play a part in the decision

[bigblue2]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	"Honda has today announced it will restructure its global manufacturing network. This restructure comes as Honda accelerates its commitment to electrified cars, in response to the unprecedented changes in the global automotive industry. The significant challenges of electrification will see Honda revise its global manufacturing operations, and focus activity in regions where it expects to have high production volumes." Is that not reason enough for you? Or is the fact they're not mentioning Brexit some sort of conspiracy? Perhaps the factory in Turkey is closing due to Brexit too?

turkey isn't closing

	Quote:	Loz1983
	"Honda has today announced it will restructure its global manufacturing network. This restructure comes as Honda accelerates its commitment to electrified cars, in response to the unprecedented changes in the global automotive industry. The significant challenges of electrification will see Honda revise its global manufacturing operations, and focus activity in regions where it expects to have high production volumes." Is that not reason enough for you? Or is the fact they're not mentioning Brexit some sort of conspiracy? Perhaps the factory in Turkey is closing due to Brexit too?

Nope. Analyse the words and you will see it is a meaningless and circular statement.

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	...will see Honda revise its global manufacturing operations, and focus activity in regions where it expects to have high production volumes.

Honda will have high production volumes wherever it chooses to put them.

Also, according to the announcement, Turkey isn't closing. Just ceasing Civic production:

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	The global restructure will also involve Honda’s automobile operations in Turkey. Honda Turkiye A.S. currently produces 38,000 units per year. The company will cease manufacturing current Civic sedan model in 2021 and intends to continue its business operations. Honda Turkiye A.S. will continue to hold constructive dialogue with Turkish stakeholders during this period.

	Quote:	bigblue2
	The trade deal with the EU obviously has an impact, they can make the cars back home and pay nothing to import them into the EU, whereas cars built in the UK *may* incur import charges, also parts etc they need could be held up. Its all part and parcel of it, which factory do you close, they one surrounded in uncertainty and incompetence or the one that isn't? pretty naive to thing brexit didn't play a part in the decision

Believe what you want, pal.

Honda UK boss on BBC R4 this morning, "This is not a Brexit related issue for us.".

[bigblue2]

	Quote:	loz1983
	believe what you want, pal. Honda uk boss on bbc r4 this morning, "this is not a brexit related issue for us.".

lol

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Believe what you want, pal. Honda UK boss on BBC R4 this morning, "This is not a Brexit related issue for us.".

You are in danger of looking like you only hang on the words of people with the same opinion as you. Anyone else who IS indeed planning on a departure from doing business in the UK due to Brexit is apparently spreading project fear and is not worth listening to. You see how that kind of destroys your credibility, right?

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Believe what you want, pal. Honda UK boss on BBC R4 this morning, "This is not a Brexit related issue for us.".

The irony being, had the EU not concluded a free trade deal with Japan, this wouldn't have happened. Had Britain remained part of the EU, there would have also been less imperative to move the factory. We can all believe what we want I suppose, pal.

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Oh look, nothing to do with Brexit. Honda announces global automobile manufacturing restructure HONDA ANNOUNCES PROPOSAL TO CEASE PRODUCTION AT ITS SWINDON FACTORY IN 2021

Oh look, from Honda's own press release (linked by you, above):

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	Under this proposed restructure, HUM’s current role as a global manufacturing hub may no longer be viable.

Oh, I wonder what they could mean by that?

You've never written a press release, have you, Loz?

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	Oh look, from Honda's own press release (linked by you, above): Oh, I wonder what they could mean by that? You've never written a press release, have you, Loz?

Indeed, I presume Honda still want to SELL cars in the UK post Brexit, so no point alienating ~50% of the population.

[Blueangel]

i'd love to see Loz sell his theory to this guy...

https://twitter.com/Channel4News/sta...79713382490112

You guys are hilarious. There have been so many companies blaming their failing businesses on Brexit (JLR, BMI, John Lewis etc.), now one comes out and says categorically that Brexit is not to blame for a factory closure, even when it would be an easy excuse, and for you that still means it is.

It's why we won.

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	You've never written a press release, have you, Loz?

Oh, so you're in communications? It's all starting to become clear now.

	Quote:	Blueangel
	i'd love to see Loz sell his theory to this guy... https://twitter.com/Channel4News/sta...79713382490112

Isn't that one of the dumb fooks that voted for Brexit?

[marton]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	"Honda has today announced it will restructure its global manufacturing network. This restructure comes as Honda accelerates its commitment to electrified cars, in response to the unprecedented changes in the global automotive industry. The significant challenges of electrification will see Honda revise its global manufacturing operations, and focus activity in regions where it expects to have high production volumes." Is that not reason enough for you? Or is the fact they're not mentioning Brexit some sort of conspiracy? Perhaps the factory in Turkey is closing due to Brexit too?

Factory in Turkey is not closing, fake news.
They write they will stop making the Civic in 2021 but nothing about closing the factory whereas they clearly stated the Swindon factory will close.

Also note ".... focus activity in regions where it expects to have high production volumes." Now why would they anticipate not having high production volumes in UK? surely nothing to do with Brexit

Anyway as to Brexit, if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck.....

	Quote:	Blueangel
	i'd love to see Loz sell his theory to this guy... https://twitter.com/Channel4News/sta...79713382490112

Should tell him to move out to Switzerland where Brexit won't affect him one iota. Might even turn him into an ardent supporter.

From today's BBC report:

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	Mr Howells [Senior VP for Honda in Europe] said that, in the light of changes in the industry, the company had to "look very closely" at where it was putting its investment. "It has to be in a marketplace of a size for Honda, where it makes investment worthwhile. "The conclusion coming out of that is that that doesn't include Swindon - the relative size of the marketplace in Europe is significantly different."

So there you have it. The closure of Honda's UK manufacturing plant has nothing to do with Brexit—it's because the UK won't be in the EU after Brexit.

Delicious, eh, Loz, pal?

"We've been clear on our Brexit position all along"

“this decision is not driven by Brexit”

https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1097787760931422209

Too stupid to breathe.

	Quote:	Loz1983
	"We've been clear on our Brexit position all along" “this decision is not driven by Brexit” https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1097787760931422209 Too stupid to breathe.

Subtlety of language isn't a strong suit. "Not driven by", does not mean "not hugely affected by".

It is, if we take them at their word, driven by the need to pivot focus to electric vehicles. It is almost certainly also affected by the new free trade deal and Britain's exclusion from it.

If you think Brexit hasn't helped them make this decision, you are deluding yourself.

	Quote:	Loz1983
	"We've been clear on our Brexit position all along" “this decision is not driven by Brexit” https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1097787760931422209 Too stupid to breathe.

Depends if you want to accept the story you are spoon-fed or whether you look at the bigger picture.

You seem to be hyper-critical of anything that doesn't jive with your view of Brexit but unquestioningly lap up whatever fits with your own view.

Not sure that's immune from stupid, either.

	Quote:	Loz1983
	"We've been clear on our Brexit position all along" “this decision is not driven by Brexit” https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1097787760931422209 Too stupid to breathe.

Ah Loz, you are deliciously naive. So, if I'm right and you're wrong, that clip shows the first time in recorded history that a company spokesman has lied on national TV to attempt to bolster his employer's image. Even if he did have to directly contradict his published statement on the issue.

If the sole reason for the closure is the move to electric vehicles, why doesn't Honda build them...
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... in Swindon? They have a fully tooled factory up and running there already.

Answers on a postcard, please.

Left is right, up is down, black is white...