Go Back   English Forum Switzerland > Off-Topic > Off-Topic > International affairs/politics  
View Poll Results: What would you personally prefer to happen?
I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
Voters: 212. You may not vote on this poll

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #17961  
Old 19.02.2019, 11:30
bigblue2's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Glarus
Posts: 7,946
Groaned at 480 Times in 400 Posts
Thanked 13,879 Times in 5,517 Posts
bigblue2 has a reputation beyond reputebigblue2 has a reputation beyond reputebigblue2 has a reputation beyond reputebigblue2 has a reputation beyond reputebigblue2 has a reputation beyond reputebigblue2 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

The trade deal with the EU obviously has an impact, they can make the cars back home and pay nothing to import them into the EU, whereas cars built in the UK *may* incur import charges, also parts etc they need could be held up.

Its all part and parcel of it, which factory do you close, they one surrounded in uncertainty and incompetence or the one that isn't?

pretty naive to thing brexit didn't play a part in the decision
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank bigblue2 for this useful post:
  #17962  
Old 19.02.2019, 11:31
bigblue2's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Glarus
Posts: 7,946
Groaned at 480 Times in 400 Posts
Thanked 13,879 Times in 5,517 Posts
bigblue2 has a reputation beyond reputebigblue2 has a reputation beyond reputebigblue2 has a reputation beyond reputebigblue2 has a reputation beyond reputebigblue2 has a reputation beyond reputebigblue2 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post
"Honda has today announced it will restructure its global manufacturing network. This restructure comes as Honda accelerates its commitment to electrified cars, in response to the unprecedented changes in the global automotive industry. The significant challenges of electrification will see Honda revise its global manufacturing operations, and focus activity in regions where it expects to have high production volumes."

Is that not reason enough for you? Or is the fact they're not mentioning Brexit some sort of conspiracy? Perhaps the factory in Turkey is closing due to Brexit too?
turkey isn't closing
Reply With Quote
  #17963  
Old 19.02.2019, 11:32
baboon's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Rheintal
Posts: 3,841
Groaned at 125 Times in 111 Posts
Thanked 5,156 Times in 2,501 Posts
baboon has a reputation beyond reputebaboon has a reputation beyond reputebaboon has a reputation beyond reputebaboon has a reputation beyond reputebaboon has a reputation beyond reputebaboon has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post
"Honda has today announced it will restructure its global manufacturing network. This restructure comes as Honda accelerates its commitment to electrified cars, in response to the unprecedented changes in the global automotive industry. The significant challenges of electrification will see Honda revise its global manufacturing operations, and focus activity in regions where it expects to have high production volumes."

Is that not reason enough for you? Or is the fact they're not mentioning Brexit some sort of conspiracy? Perhaps the factory in Turkey is closing due to Brexit too?
Nope. Analyse the words and you will see it is a meaningless and circular statement.

Quote:
...will see Honda revise its global manufacturing operations, and focus activity in regions where it expects to have high production volumes.
Honda will have high production volumes wherever it chooses to put them.

Also, according to the announcement, Turkey isn't closing. Just ceasing Civic production:

Quote:
The global restructure will also involve Honda’s automobile operations in Turkey. Honda Turkiye A.S. currently produces 38,000 units per year. The company will cease manufacturing current Civic sedan model in 2021 and intends to continue its business operations. Honda Turkiye A.S. will continue to hold constructive dialogue with Turkish stakeholders during this period.
Reply With Quote
  #17964  
Old 19.02.2019, 11:33
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post
The trade deal with the EU obviously has an impact, they can make the cars back home and pay nothing to import them into the EU, whereas cars built in the UK *may* incur import charges, also parts etc they need could be held up.

Its all part and parcel of it, which factory do you close, they one surrounded in uncertainty and incompetence or the one that isn't?

pretty naive to thing brexit didn't play a part in the decision
Believe what you want, pal.

Honda UK boss on BBC R4 this morning, "This is not a Brexit related issue for us.".
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users groan at for this post:
  #17965  
Old 19.02.2019, 11:36
bigblue2's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Glarus
Posts: 7,946
Groaned at 480 Times in 400 Posts
Thanked 13,879 Times in 5,517 Posts
bigblue2 has a reputation beyond reputebigblue2 has a reputation beyond reputebigblue2 has a reputation beyond reputebigblue2 has a reputation beyond reputebigblue2 has a reputation beyond reputebigblue2 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post
believe what you want, pal.

Honda uk boss on bbc r4 this morning, "this is not a brexit related issue for us.".
lol
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank bigblue2 for this useful post:
  #17966  
Old 19.02.2019, 11:37
Sandgrounder's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: ZH
Posts: 13,638
Groaned at 126 Times in 117 Posts
Thanked 24,975 Times in 9,625 Posts
Sandgrounder has a reputation beyond reputeSandgrounder has a reputation beyond reputeSandgrounder has a reputation beyond reputeSandgrounder has a reputation beyond reputeSandgrounder has a reputation beyond reputeSandgrounder has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post
Believe what you want, pal.

Honda UK boss on BBC R4 this morning, "This is not a Brexit related issue for us.".
You are in danger of looking like you only hang on the words of people with the same opinion as you. Anyone else who IS indeed planning on a departure from doing business in the UK due to Brexit is apparently spreading project fear and is not worth listening to. You see how that kind of destroys your credibility, right?
Reply With Quote
  #17967  
Old 19.02.2019, 11:39
StirB's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Zurich
Posts: 3,394
Groaned at 141 Times in 123 Posts
Thanked 5,860 Times in 2,530 Posts
StirB has a reputation beyond reputeStirB has a reputation beyond reputeStirB has a reputation beyond reputeStirB has a reputation beyond reputeStirB has a reputation beyond reputeStirB has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post
Believe what you want, pal.

Honda UK boss on BBC R4 this morning, "This is not a Brexit related issue for us.".
The irony being, had the EU not concluded a free trade deal with Japan, this wouldn't have happened. Had Britain remained part of the EU, there would have also been less imperative to move the factory. We can all believe what we want I suppose, pal.
Reply With Quote
  #17968  
Old 19.02.2019, 11:40
22 yards's Avatar
Only in moderation
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Basel-Land
Posts: 8,409
Groaned at 246 Times in 199 Posts
Thanked 15,707 Times in 6,495 Posts
22 yards has a reputation beyond repute22 yards has a reputation beyond repute22 yards has a reputation beyond repute22 yards has a reputation beyond repute22 yards has a reputation beyond repute22 yards has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Oh look, from Honda's own press release (linked by you, above):

Quote:
Under this proposed restructure, HUM’s current role as a global manufacturing hub may no longer be viable.
Oh, I wonder what they could mean by that?

You've never written a press release, have you, Loz?
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank 22 yards for this useful post:
  #17969  
Old 19.02.2019, 11:46
StirB's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Zurich
Posts: 3,394
Groaned at 141 Times in 123 Posts
Thanked 5,860 Times in 2,530 Posts
StirB has a reputation beyond reputeStirB has a reputation beyond reputeStirB has a reputation beyond reputeStirB has a reputation beyond reputeStirB has a reputation beyond reputeStirB has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post
Oh look, from Honda's own press release (linked by you, above):



Oh, I wonder what they could mean by that?

You've never written a press release, have you, Loz?
Indeed, I presume Honda still want to SELL cars in the UK post Brexit, so no point alienating ~50% of the population.
Reply With Quote
The following 4 users would like to thank StirB for this useful post:
  #17970  
Old 19.02.2019, 12:30
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: Küsnacht, Switzerland
Posts: 4,032
Groaned at 85 Times in 79 Posts
Thanked 8,080 Times in 3,761 Posts
Blueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

i'd love to see Loz sell his theory to this guy...

https://twitter.com/Channel4News/sta...79713382490112
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Blueangel for this useful post:
  #17971  
Old 19.02.2019, 12:30
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

You guys are hilarious. There have been so many companies blaming their failing businesses on Brexit (JLR, BMI, John Lewis etc.), now one comes out and says categorically that Brexit is not to blame for a factory closure, even when it would be an easy excuse, and for you that still means it is.

It's why we won.

Quote:
View Post
You've never written a press release, have you, Loz?
Oh, so you're in communications? It's all starting to become clear now.
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank for this useful post:
  #17972  
Old 19.02.2019, 12:31
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post
i'd love to see Loz sell his theory to this guy...

https://twitter.com/Channel4News/sta...79713382490112
Isn't that one of the dumb fooks that voted for Brexit?
Reply With Quote
  #17973  
Old 19.02.2019, 12:32
marton's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Kt. Zürich
Posts: 10,663
Groaned at 352 Times in 303 Posts
Thanked 13,947 Times in 7,668 Posts
marton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post
"Honda has today announced it will restructure its global manufacturing network. This restructure comes as Honda accelerates its commitment to electrified cars, in response to the unprecedented changes in the global automotive industry. The significant challenges of electrification will see Honda revise its global manufacturing operations, and focus activity in regions where it expects to have high production volumes."

Is that not reason enough for you? Or is the fact they're not mentioning Brexit some sort of conspiracy? Perhaps the factory in Turkey is closing due to Brexit too?
Factory in Turkey is not closing, fake news.
They write they will stop making the Civic in 2021 but nothing about closing the factory whereas they clearly stated the Swindon factory will close.

Also note ".... focus activity in regions where it expects to have high production volumes." Now why would they anticipate not having high production volumes in UK? surely nothing to do with Brexit

Anyway as to Brexit, if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck.....
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank marton for this useful post:
  #17974  
Old 19.02.2019, 12:32
Sandgrounder's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: ZH
Posts: 13,638
Groaned at 126 Times in 117 Posts
Thanked 24,975 Times in 9,625 Posts
Sandgrounder has a reputation beyond reputeSandgrounder has a reputation beyond reputeSandgrounder has a reputation beyond reputeSandgrounder has a reputation beyond reputeSandgrounder has a reputation beyond reputeSandgrounder has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post
i'd love to see Loz sell his theory to this guy...

https://twitter.com/Channel4News/sta...79713382490112
Should tell him to move out to Switzerland where Brexit won't affect him one iota. Might even turn him into an ardent supporter.
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank Sandgrounder for this useful post:
  #17975  
Old 19.02.2019, 12:34
22 yards's Avatar
Only in moderation
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Basel-Land
Posts: 8,409
Groaned at 246 Times in 199 Posts
Thanked 15,707 Times in 6,495 Posts
22 yards has a reputation beyond repute22 yards has a reputation beyond repute22 yards has a reputation beyond repute22 yards has a reputation beyond repute22 yards has a reputation beyond repute22 yards has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

From today's BBC report:

Quote:
Mr Howells [Senior VP for Honda in Europe] said that, in the light of changes in the industry, the company had to "look very closely" at where it was putting its investment. "It has to be in a marketplace of a size for Honda, where it makes investment worthwhile.

"The conclusion coming out of that is that that doesn't include Swindon - the relative size of the marketplace in Europe is significantly different."
So there you have it. The closure of Honda's UK manufacturing plant has nothing to do with Brexit—it's because the UK won't be in the EU after Brexit.

Delicious, eh, Loz, pal?
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank 22 yards for this useful post:
  #17976  
Old 19.02.2019, 12:40
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

"We've been clear on our Brexit position all along"

“this decision is not driven by Brexit”

https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1097787760931422209

Too stupid to breathe.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank for this useful post:
  #17977  
Old 19.02.2019, 12:48
StirB's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Zurich
Posts: 3,394
Groaned at 141 Times in 123 Posts
Thanked 5,860 Times in 2,530 Posts
StirB has a reputation beyond reputeStirB has a reputation beyond reputeStirB has a reputation beyond reputeStirB has a reputation beyond reputeStirB has a reputation beyond reputeStirB has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post
"We've been clear on our Brexit position all along"

“this decision is not driven by Brexit”

https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1097787760931422209

Too stupid to breathe.
Subtlety of language isn't a strong suit. "Not driven by", does not mean "not hugely affected by".

It is, if we take them at their word, driven by the need to pivot focus to electric vehicles. It is almost certainly also affected by the new free trade deal and Britain's exclusion from it.

If you think Brexit hasn't helped them make this decision, you are deluding yourself.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank StirB for this useful post:
  #17978  
Old 19.02.2019, 12:48
Sandgrounder's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: ZH
Posts: 13,638
Groaned at 126 Times in 117 Posts
Thanked 24,975 Times in 9,625 Posts
Sandgrounder has a reputation beyond reputeSandgrounder has a reputation beyond reputeSandgrounder has a reputation beyond reputeSandgrounder has a reputation beyond reputeSandgrounder has a reputation beyond reputeSandgrounder has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post
"We've been clear on our Brexit position all along"

“this decision is not driven by Brexit”

https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1097787760931422209

Too stupid to breathe.
Depends if you want to accept the story you are spoon-fed or whether you look at the bigger picture.

You seem to be hyper-critical of anything that doesn't jive with your view of Brexit but unquestioningly lap up whatever fits with your own view.

Not sure that's immune from stupid, either.
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank Sandgrounder for this useful post:
  #17979  
Old 19.02.2019, 12:50
22 yards's Avatar
Only in moderation
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Basel-Land
Posts: 8,409
Groaned at 246 Times in 199 Posts
Thanked 15,707 Times in 6,495 Posts
22 yards has a reputation beyond repute22 yards has a reputation beyond repute22 yards has a reputation beyond repute22 yards has a reputation beyond repute22 yards has a reputation beyond repute22 yards has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post
"We've been clear on our Brexit position all along"

“this decision is not driven by Brexit”

https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1097787760931422209

Too stupid to breathe.
Ah Loz, you are deliciously naive. So, if I'm right and you're wrong, that clip shows the first time in recorded history that a company spokesman has lied on national TV to attempt to bolster his employer's image. Even if he did have to directly contradict his published statement on the issue.

If the sole reason for the closure is the move to electric vehicles, why doesn't Honda build them...
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
... in Swindon? They have a fully tooled factory up and running there already.

Answers on a postcard, please.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank 22 yards for this useful post:
  #17980  
Old 19.02.2019, 12:53
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Left is right, up is down, black is white...
Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
europe




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 2 (0 members and 2 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Latest Referendum, what will be consequences for EU (C permit and B permit) holders? expat2014 Permits/visas/government 3 11.02.2014 07:59
Importing vehicles and the VAT consequences in Switzerland from France BEFO Finance/banking/taxation 6 07.08.2013 14:11
The (Available in CH) Dog Food Review Thread meloncollie Pet corner 44 08.05.2012 19:15
Common-law marriage and consequences in CH Mishto Family matters/health 9 01.10.2011 21:03
Something for the Brits: M&S in CH mark Daily life 11 15.11.2007 11:18


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 05:54.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.1.0