The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH - Page 9

marton · #**161** 21.02.2016, 14:34

Consequence for Switzerland does not look good!

Cameron could not get any concession on capping immigration into the UK during his EU negotiation and he was in a far stronger situation than we are to negotiate this point.

Interesting article in 20min here today. (in German language)

Basically it says support is fading for the idea of introducing a "safeguard" clause on immigration. General view seems to be that without any agreement from Brussels then such a clause would not be legal; in contravention of the bilaterals.

Medea Fleecestealer · #**162** 21.02.2016, 15:13

	Quote:	JoeUK
	I should tell you about the time I tried to leave Britain via Eurostar with 600,000 Belgian Francs in the early nineties. All of my mates still laugh at the two days I had to spend in custody.

What I found interesting on the uk. gov website is the statement that if you take more than 10,000 Euros to a non-EU country you need to declare it in the UK.

https://www.gov.uk/bringing-cash-into-uk

Why Euros instead of Pounds when travelling to a non-EU country? Slip of the finger when typing or actually Euros and not Pounds.

Jim2007 · #**163** 21.02.2016, 15:17

	Quote:	marton
	Cameron could not get any concession on capping immigration into the UK during his EU negotiation and he was in a far stronger situation than we are to negotiate this point.

What did he actually get? It can't be much since I don't see Denmark, France or Ireland saying they will have to hold a referendum on treaty changes - always a good indication of a substantial change in the EU. Most likely the ever closer union exclusion will end up as a protocol to the treaty the next time a new member joins.

I can't find anything at all about national parliaments being able to veto EU law...

And even the benefits concession is dependent on an EU parliament vote which takes part after the UK vote

marton · #**164** 21.02.2016, 15:21

	Quote:	Medea Fleecestealer
	What I found interesting on the uk. gov website is the statement that if you take more than 10,000 Euros to a non-EU country you need to declare it in the UK. https://www.gov.uk/bringing-cash-into-uk Why Euros instead of Pounds when travelling to a non-EU country? Slip of the finger when typing or actually Euros and not Pounds.

I assume one of those EU community wide laws so was written in euro; if the UK wrote the £ equivalent then they would have to change it every time the exchange rate changed

marton · #**165** 21.02.2016, 15:23

	Quote:	Jim2007
	What did he actually get? It can't be much since I don't see Denmark, France or Ireland saying they will have to hold a referendum on treaty changes - always a good indication of a substantial change in the EU. Most likely the ever closer union exclusion will end up as a protocol to the treaty the next time a new member joins. I can't find anything at all about national parliaments being able to veto EU law... And even the benefits concession is dependent on an EU parliament vote which takes part after the UK vote

"I can't find anything at all about national parliaments being able to veto EU law..." They cannot; hence the Swiss problem with trying to cap immigration.

Andreag · #**166** 21.02.2016, 17:36

Do we need to start selling out properties in the UK before they leave the EU in Jun?

#**167** 21.02.2016, 19:03

And so it begins: Boris for Brexit

It's really going to heat up and get exciting now

Medea Fleecestealer · #**168** 21.02.2016, 19:55

	Quote:	Swisstree
	And so it begins: Boris for Brexit It's really going to heat up and get exciting now

Nice typo in the last paragraph.

Cameron said he would stay on to negotiate Britain’s exit from the EU if he loses the referendum. He said a similar thing before the Scottish independence referendum to ensure that his leadership did not become a distraction during the campaign. In private he wrote a resignation speech which he would have delivered if Scotland had voted to leave the EU.

Funny, I thought they were voting on whether to leave the UK or not.

Expect better of the Guardian.

Why the need to negotiate the exit - if we vote out, we're out.

Slaphead · #**169** 21.02.2016, 20:03

	Quote:	Medea Fleecestealer
	Nice typo in the last paragraph. Cameron said he would stay on to negotiate Britain’s exit from the EU if he loses the referendum. He said a similar thing before the Scottish independence referendum to ensure that his leadership did not become a distraction during the campaign. In private he wrote a resignation speech which he would have delivered if Scotland had voted to leave the EU. Funny, I thought they were voting on whether to leave the UK or not. Expect better of the Guardian. Why the need to negotiate the exit - if we vote out, we're out.

Why? It's basically the Daily Mail for the middle class. The Grauniad is, quite frankly, an awful broadsheet. Then again thats true of all the british press. Entertaining yes, newsworthy no.

Phil_MCR · #**170** 21.02.2016, 20:42

	Quote:	Jim2007
	What did he actually get? It can't be much since I don't see Denmark, France or Ireland saying they will have to hold a referendum on treaty changes - always a good indication of a substantial change in the EU. Most likely the ever closer union exclusion will end up as a protocol to the treaty the next time a new member joins. I can't find anything at all about national parliaments being able to veto EU law... And even the benefits concession is dependent on an EU parliament vote which takes part after the UK vote

Didn't Blair once give up a ton of money to the EU on some vague promises that never materialised?

FrankZappa · #**171** 21.02.2016, 20:42

	Quote:	Slaphead
	Why? It's basically the Daily Mail for the middle class. The Grauniad is, quite frankly, an awful broadsheet. Then again thats true of all the british press. Entertaining yes, newsworthy no.

Ouch! I like the Guardian, most of the time, but then I've put up with its foibles for more than forty years. I think "awful" is an exaggeration.

Could you point me at an "excellent" newspaper or two, so that I can see the difference?

lewton · #**172** 21.02.2016, 21:06

	Quote:	Swisstree
	And so it begins: Boris for Brexit It's really going to heat up and get exciting now

Now it's getting exciting indeed!
All my money (the part of it I have in the UK

) on Brexit.

marton · #**173** 22.02.2016, 00:15

	Quote:	Medea Fleecestealer
	Nice typo in the last paragraph. Cameron said he would stay on to negotiate Britain’s exit from the EU if he loses the referendum. He said a similar thing before the Scottish independence referendum to ensure that his leadership did not become a distraction during the campaign. In private he wrote a resignation speech which he would have delivered if Scotland had voted to leave the EU. Funny, I thought they were voting on whether to leave the UK or not. Expect better of the Guardian. Why the need to negotiate the exit - if we vote out, we're out.

"Why the need to negotiate the exit - if we vote out, we're out." I assume there are a lot contracts, deals, money payments which are in progress and next steps will need to be understood and agreed.

Look for example at the research program Horizon 2020 - - European Commission - here there are billions of euros in play....

#**174** 22.02.2016, 00:23

Exactly, if the UK votes out- the rest of Europe will definitely make them take the sting, ands certainly will NOT let the UK have its cake and eat it- that is for sure.

Troublawesome · #**175** 22.02.2016, 00:57

As they should.

Wollishofener · #**176** 22.02.2016, 06:42

	Quote:
	Exactly, if the UK votes out- the rest of Europe will definitely make them take the sting, ands certainly will NOT let the UK have its cake and eat it- that is for sure.

the UK should get out of the E.U. and RE-join EFTA

#**177** 22.02.2016, 09:52

	Quote:	Troublawesome
	As they should.

Why? For exercising a democratic right?

baboon · #**178** 22.02.2016, 10:09

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Why? For exercising a democratic right?

No. To take the full consequences of exercising that democratic right.

#**179** 22.02.2016, 10:49

Speaking of democratic rights, how about the EU get its own house in order - accountability and transparency has been an issue for quite a while now.

EU and the democratic deficit

Cameron must have been awake half the night cursing Boris. By this evening, after the Commons today, there'll be little Boris like dolls all over No. 10 with needles stuck in them

Meanwhile, in la la land..

Far too much excitement for me, think I need to go and lie down..

fatmanfilms · #**180** 22.02.2016, 11:16

	Quote:	Medea Fleecestealer
	What I found interesting on the uk. gov website is the statement that if you take more than 10,000 Euros to a non-EU country you need to declare it in the UK. https://www.gov.uk/bringing-cash-into-uk Why Euros instead of Pounds when travelling to a non-EU country? Slip of the finger when typing or actually Euros and not Pounds.

10k Euro limit is fairly recent, there was no restriction after 1979. 10K euro limit throughout the EU.

No limit on Bank transfers, which were not possible before the changes in 1979, if you decided to leave the UK you could not take your assets without individual permission from the Bank of England.