The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH - Page 900

Blueangel · #**17981** 19.02.2019, 13:53

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Oh, so you're in communications? It's all starting to become clear now.

Crikey Loz! Even I've written a press release (with consultation), and I've never worked in communications. It's all about giving enough information to be clear (vanilla), whilst not giving enough to cause antagonism/alienation. If people choose to read between the lines that's their business, and you must always be able to say "We never said that".

#**17982** 19.02.2019, 13:58

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Left is right, up is down, black is white...

Brexit means Brexit.

#**17983** 19.02.2019, 13:58

Europe prods the Russian Bear once again in its quest to expand the Empire.

https://twitter.com/eucopresident/st...05961467699201

"There can be no just Europe without an independent Ukraine. There can be no safe Europe without a safe Ukraine. To put it simply: there can be no Europe without Ukraine!"

#**17984** 19.02.2019, 13:59

	Quote:
	Brexit means Brexit.

Those are my safewords.

marton · #**17985** 19.02.2019, 14:24

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Europe prods the Russian Bear once again in its quest to expand the Empire. https://twitter.com/eucopresident/st...05961467699201 "There can be no just Europe without an independent Ukraine. There can be no safe Europe without a safe Ukraine. To put it simply: there can be no Europe without Ukraine!"

But he does not mention Brexit??

#**17986** 19.02.2019, 16:57

Contrary to FMF's claims of cheaper food in the UK post Brexit, it is not going to happen

	Quote:
	The government will apply tariffs to food imports to protect British farmers in a no-deal scenario, the environment secretary, Michael Gove, has confirmed.

Also admits to delays in Calais

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	And, contrary to claims by hard Brexiters, he warned that delays were likely in Calais because of mandatory EU checks on food imports on the French side of the channel.....“We can expect, at least in the short term, that those delays in Calais will impede the loading of ferries, constricting supply routes back into Britain and furring up the arteries of commerce on which we all rely,”

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...hael-gove-says

#**17987** 19.02.2019, 17:33

Even more great news - US demanding we drop our food standards to get a deal...

https://unearthed.greenpeace.org/201...it-trade-deal/

The dream of chlorinated chicken, tapewormed pork and hormonal beef is but a few months away.

marton · #**17988** 19.02.2019, 17:51

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	Even more great news - US demanding we drop our food standards to get a deal... https://unearthed.greenpeace.org/201...it-trade-deal/ The dream of chlorinated chicken, tapewormed pork and hormonal beef is but a few months away.

One big problem of dropping food standards for UK produced food is that it will limit the range of third countries that the UK can export to...
You might say the drop of food standards only applies to imports from the US but a lot of imports are reprocessed into other foods that are then exported, daft example, frozen chicken pies...

TobiasM · #**17989** 19.02.2019, 18:02

A man about to lose his job at Honda went viral with a glorious 13-second Brexit takedown

marton · #**17990** 19.02.2019, 18:36

Story is changing?

	Quote:
	Honda said it had decided to shut its plant because of "the unprecedented changes in the global automotive industry" such as the shift toward electric vehicles. It plans to move production from Britain to Japan, the United States and China.

Source

So not just to Japan!

Fish Paste · #**17991** 19.02.2019, 18:38

This labour splinter group are an odd lot, I wouldn't get my hopes up about them.

Want to stay in Europe to 'change it from the inside'. Better off together.

Don't want to stay in Labour to 'change it from the inside'. Better off apart.

Want a second referendum 'so the people can reconsider'. The people must have a choice.

Don't want to trigger by-elections 'so the people can reconsider'. The people must not have a choice.

More of the same then, basically.

marton · #**17992** 19.02.2019, 20:06

	Quote:	Loz1983
	"We've been clear on our Brexit position all along" “this decision is not driven by Brexit” https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1097787760931422209 Too stupid to breathe.

OK so let us take a look at the situation from the other side.

Honda are closing their UK factory and there is no tariff free deal between UK and Japan or any other country where Honda plan to build vehicles.

So as a minimum Honda do not see Brexit will be a great success story that they want to be involved in

#**17993** 19.02.2019, 20:31

	Quote:	marton
	OK so let us take a look at the situation from the other side. Honda are closing their UK factory and there is no tariff free deal between UK and Japan or any other country where Honda plan to build vehicles. So as a minimum Honda do not see Brexit will be a great success story that they want to be involved in

How about we just look at the situation from how it is. On the one side you have the boss of Honda Europe saying this decision has nothing to do with Brexit and on the other you have 22 yards - BA Media and Communications, Sandgrounder #FBPE and marton off English Forum saying it has. How on earth are we supposed to judge who we should believe?

#**17994** 19.02.2019, 20:38

	Quote:	Loz1983
	HOn the one side you have the boss of Honda Europe saying this decision has nothing to do with Brexit

Except that isn't what he said, is it? Your own quote from earlier said it wasn't driven by Brexit, not that it had nothing to do with Brexit. Oh Loz.

TobiasM · #**17995** 19.02.2019, 20:41

	Quote:	Loz1983
	How about we just look at the situation from how it is. On the one side you have the boss of Honda Europe saying this decision has nothing to do with Brexit and on the other you have 22 yards - BA Media and Communications, Sandgrounder #FBPE and marton off English Forum saying it has. How on earth are we supposed to judge who we should believe?

You do realise they might be lying for tactical political and business reasons?

#**17996** 19.02.2019, 20:55

	Quote:	TobiasM
	You do realise they might be lying for tactical political and business reasons?

Yep, Theresa got on the phone to tell them whatever you do don't blame brexit, we're in enough sh!t as it is.. discretion is required, please.

And.. the cherry pickers were very busy all day.

TobiasM · #**17997** 19.02.2019, 21:03

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...e_iOSApp_Other

It’s only an opinion, but it does seem rather likely!

#**17998** 19.02.2019, 21:21

	Quote:	TobiasM
	You do realise they might be lying for tactical political and business reasons?

Yes, they could be lying, however seeing how many other companies have come out and blamed their failings on Brexit, and given the massive upheaval the car industry is going through at the moment, I believe they are telling the truth.

marton · #**17999** 19.02.2019, 21:32

	Quote:	Loz1983
	How about we just look at the situation from how it is. On the one side you have the boss of Honda Europe saying this decision has nothing to do with Brexit and on the other you have 22 yards - BA Media and Communications, Sandgrounder #FBPE and marton off English Forum saying it has. How on earth are we supposed to judge who we should believe?

"How on earth are we supposed to judge who we should believe?" Well you could look at the countries that Honda plans to invest in and assume Honda believes those countries will be successful and a good market for Honda.

Then you look at the countries where Honda has cancelled plans to invest in and assume Honda believes those countries will be not successful and not a good market for Honda.

Then you have a guide about what to believe?

#**18000** 19.02.2019, 21:49

	Quote:	Loz1983
	How about we just look at the situation from how it is. On the one side you have the boss of Honda Europe saying this decision has nothing to do with Brexit and on the other you have 22 yards - BA Media and Communications, Sandgrounder #FBPE and marton off English Forum saying it has. How on earth are we supposed to judge who we should believe?

No idea why you find the fact that people question what they hear and read so unusual. Every time someone posts something negative about Brexit you are one of the first to start shrieking about ‘project fear’, so you are guilty of the same thing yourself.

Why is it troubling you so much?

If you want to swallow everything whole, go for it. Doesn’t mean the rest of us have to.

Who cares if it’s to do with Brexit or not? It’s clear that Brexit is making the UK a shit place to do business and the uncertainty will probably do for a few more ‘non-Brexit’ related casualties.

You can come and defend each of them as they happen if that gets your juices flowing.