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View Poll Results: What would you personally prefer to happen?
I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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Old 19.02.2019, 20:55
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Yes, they could be lying, however seeing how many other companies have come out and blamed their failings on Brexit, and given the massive upheaval the car industry is going through at the moment, I believe they are telling the truth.
What massive upheaval? Other than auto companies fleeing UK or reducing UK involvement; examples, Honda, Nissan, Ford, Michelin, Schaeffler and Jaguar Land Rover?

Toyota has said a no-deal Brexit would put production of £10m worth of cars a day at risk.

BMW would have to close its British factories that make Mini and Rolls-Royce cars if Brexit leads to serious supply chain disruption, the automaker's customs manager, Stephan Freismuth, said.

Of course, you can counter this argument by citing details of the global situation with details of other countries seeing the same exodus of five out of their largest five auto manufacturers plus major component suppliers?
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How about we just look at the situation from how it is. On the one side you have the boss of Honda Europe saying this decision has nothing to do with Brexit and on the other you have 22 yards - BA Media and Communications, Sandgrounder #FBPE and marton off English Forum saying it has. How on earth are we supposed to judge who we should believe?
Is it starting to sting, Loz? It must be a bit embarassing to have your sub-par critical faculties exposed so publically. So now you're resorting to infantile ad hominem jabs.

As if I'd ever have done an Arts degree... Your assumptions are as accurate as your comprehension capabilities are nuanced.
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Old 19.02.2019, 21:42
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This labour splinter group are an odd lot, I wouldn't get my hopes up about them.
We shall see...

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The newly-formed Independent Group of MPs who split from Labour on Monday are already ahead of the Lib Dems in popularity, according to a Sky Data poll.Having been unveiled in a press conference, 10% already say they would vote for them in a general election if they had a candidate in their constituency - ahead of the Liberal Democrats on 9% and UKIP on 6%.

The Conservatives are on 32%, with Labour on just 26%
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We desperately need a centrist party in England at the moment. As the classic swing voter, I'd sooner eat my kids' bogies than vote LibDem but I could be persuaded to give these chaps a go.

Having said that, the only voting decision I ever truly regretted was for a popular centrist back in '97, so maybe not...

ETA: Although, once again, my memory plays tricks. I was unable to vote in that election because reasons - but I know who I wanted to win. Amounts to the same thing, really.
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We desperately need a centrist party in England at the moment. As the classic swing voter, I'd sooner eat my kids' bogies than vote LibDem but I could be persuaded to give these chaps a go.

Having said that, the only voting decision I ever truly regretted was for a popular centrist back in '97, so maybe not...

ETA: Although, once again, my memory plays tricks. I was unable to vote in that election because reasons - but I know who I wanted to win. Amounts to the same thing, really.
The Lib Dem’s must be proper gutted at the mo.
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The Lib Dem’s must be proper gutted at the mo.
Could it be the return of David ‘my brothers a cheating bastard’ Miliband too ?
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Old 19.02.2019, 22:29
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Sarah Wollaston, Anna Soubry and Heidi Allen are considering leaving the Conservatives - reported in the Financial Times this evening.
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Old 19.02.2019, 22:33
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Well I do hope they amount to something.
They’ll need more people, money and time though.

If they are centerist, maybe they’ll pick up some tories.

For sure, UK politics needs something.
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The Lib Dem’s must be proper gutted at the mo.
I wouldn't be so sure: sitting on the terraces of Somerset pubs, inventing splendid but utterly unworkable policies, as far away from actually having to implement them as it's possible to get, sounds right up their street!
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Old 19.02.2019, 22:54
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Well I do hope they amount to something.
They’ll need more people, money and time though.

If they are centerist, maybe they’ll pick up some tories.

For sure, UK politics needs something.
Sadly given the UK electoral system the whole thing is doomed.
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Old 20.02.2019, 00:12
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Joan Ryan is the eight Labour MP to quit the Labour Party and join the new group.
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How about we just look at the situation from how it is. On the one side you have the boss of Honda Europe saying this decision has nothing to do with Brexit and on the other you have 22 yards - BA Media and Communications, Sandgrounder #FBPE and marton off English Forum saying it has. How on earth are we supposed to judge who we should believe?
Quite obviously that depends on your definition of "is".

Anyways, it's remarkable how quickly statements on decisions that will have a very long term effect change. Perhaps think twice about taking their words at what appears to you to be the face value.
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I wouldn't be so sure: sitting on the terraces of Somerset pubs, inventing splendid but utterly unworkable policies, as far away from actually having to implement them as it's possible to get, sounds right up their street!
No LibDem MPs in Somerset. Try Scotland
Vince Cable said this morning that they've been in talks with the LibDems for 6mths.

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Sadly given the UK electoral system the whole thing is doomed.
I also fear it's career suicide, but anything can happen at this point. That said, I have the utmost admiration for Luciana Berger. That gal's got huge balls.

Having said that, I think we may be moving towards an era of more coalition governments in the UK, particularly when you think there's only been 2yrs of a majority government in the last 9.

I'm just waiting for Owen Smith now... My measure for how 'broken' politics really is, would be if the likes of Tobias Ellwood and Tom Watson leave their parties.
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Just for anyone who may have missed it, the Rat's back. Oh the irony.

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news...party-15850789
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Just for anyone who may have missed it, the Rat's back. Oh the irony.

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news...party-15850789
That will get foreign investors queuing up
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics...r-david-warren

Former Japanese Ambassador seems to fall in the "of course Brexit was a factor" camp.

Makes sense, if you think about it. It's a big 'if' in some cases though.
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Sarah Wollaston, Anna Soubry and Heidi Allen are considering leaving the Conservatives - reported in the Financial Times this evening.
Last night on Newsnight Nick Watt reported that the the three Tory MPs had gone very very quiet. Knowing one of them was Anna Soubry, I instantly realised that this must be fake news.
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We desperately need a centrist party in England at the moment. As the classic swing voter, I'd sooner eat my kids' bogies than vote LibDem but I could be persuaded to give these chaps a go.

Having said that, the only voting decision I ever truly regretted was for a popular centrist back in '97, so maybe not...

ETA: Although, once again, my memory plays tricks. I was unable to vote in that election because reasons - but I know who I wanted to win. Amounts to the same thing, really.


Just some thoughts.


For those of Pavlovian inclination, some irony may be required.

Centrist parties tend to do well when things are going just fine. They make good caretaker governments, improving thinsg with little tweaks here and there. Centrist parties being popular and strong is a sign of voter confidence and satisfaction.


OK?


When the sh1t hits the fan, people tend to look towards more radical ideas and solutions. Parties from both the far right and far left tend to do well in times of crisis, of uncertainty and when radical change is the only way out of a deep rut.


OK?

So, a centrist party going from zero to everybody's favourite overnight? Would that be indicative of people not being as sh1t scared of Brexit as they make out to be?
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So, a centrist party going from zero to everybody's favourite overnight? Would that be indicative of people not being as sh1t scared of Brexit as they make out to be?
Or "centrist" is the new "radical"?
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Last night on Newsnight Nick Watt reported that the the three Tory MPs had gone very very quiet. Knowing one of them was Anna Soubry, I instantly realised that this must be fake news.
Let's see what today brings. Interesting times, if not downright scary.


If, as I expect, a quartet of Tory MPs quit the party today to become independents, in a way that is even more significant than the Labour defections. Because the minority government of @theresa_may will become even more of a minority, with even less grip on the Commons. So...

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