Go Back   English Forum Switzerland > Off-Topic > Off-Topic > International affairs/politics  
View Poll Results: What would you personally prefer to happen?
I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
Voters: 212. You may not vote on this poll

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #18041  
Old 20.02.2019, 16:58
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Vaud
Posts: 2,487
Groaned at 149 Times in 102 Posts
Thanked 4,321 Times in 1,654 Posts
Mikers has a reputation beyond reputeMikers has a reputation beyond reputeMikers has a reputation beyond reputeMikers has a reputation beyond reputeMikers has a reputation beyond reputeMikers has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post
I hope this quote is accurate. Proof of Dutch courage before the press conference?
They mushed harv mished ouwwt the "Hic" aaat zthe end of the qwuooowte. (Or could it have been written by a sozzled hack who mis-quoted ? Surely not.):

Attachment 135976
im telling you, this woman could drink you under the table. I bet she's seen the wrong side of last orders more often than we've had hot dinners.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Mikers for this useful post:
  #18042  
Old 20.02.2019, 17:04
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Nyon
Posts: 1,717
Groaned at 66 Times in 45 Posts
Thanked 1,684 Times in 863 Posts
bowlie has a reputation beyond reputebowlie has a reputation beyond reputebowlie has a reputation beyond reputebowlie has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post
Prospect of UK passport holders having to pay €60 for a Schengen visa bubbling up again - Brexit related but mainly coming out of the Gibraltar status dispute...
Perhaps, in the event of a no-deal exit. And it wouldn’t apply to UK passport holders already resident in Schengen. Lots of countries already exempt from Schengen visas, I can’t see UK not being included. Could happen, but not too likely.
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank bowlie for this useful post:
  #18043  
Old 20.02.2019, 17:10
Banned
 
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: close to the frontier
Posts: 1,063
Groaned at 141 Times in 86 Posts
Thanked 597 Times in 379 Posts
Clocker has become a little unpopular
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post
Nicola nails it
Is this a new place where I can get a manicure?
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank Clocker for this useful post:
  #18044  
Old 20.02.2019, 20:31
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: Küsnacht, Switzerland
Posts: 4,030
Groaned at 85 Times in 79 Posts
Thanked 8,063 Times in 3,751 Posts
Blueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post
im telling you, this woman could drink you under the table. I bet she's seen the wrong side of last orders more often than we've had hot dinners.
Why is it that, when a woman is strong minded, opinionated, outspoken and has a personality, she must be a drunk?

Those three women are a former manufacturing business owner, a former criminal barrister and an NHS GP. If you are to criticise and ridicule them for anything, let it be what they are, not what you imagine them to be.
Reply With Quote
The following 3 users would like to thank Blueangel for this useful post:
  #18045  
Old 20.02.2019, 20:45
RufusB's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: In my head. And UK. Ex-Basel.
Posts: 3,620
Groaned at 63 Times in 58 Posts
Thanked 5,789 Times in 2,333 Posts
RufusB has a reputation beyond reputeRufusB has a reputation beyond reputeRufusB has a reputation beyond reputeRufusB has a reputation beyond reputeRufusB has a reputation beyond reputeRufusB has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post
Why is it that, when a woman is strong minded, opinionated, outspoken and has a personality, she must be a drunk?

Those three women are a former manufacturing business owner, a former criminal barrister and an NHS GP. If you are to criticise and ridicule them for anything, let it be what they are, not what you imagine them to be.
Because otherwise they're too competent and terrifying for words.
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank RufusB for this useful post:
  #18046  
Old 20.02.2019, 21:14
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Vaud
Posts: 2,487
Groaned at 149 Times in 102 Posts
Thanked 4,321 Times in 1,654 Posts
Mikers has a reputation beyond reputeMikers has a reputation beyond reputeMikers has a reputation beyond reputeMikers has a reputation beyond reputeMikers has a reputation beyond reputeMikers has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post
Why is it that, when a woman is strong minded, opinionated, outspoken and has a personality, she must be a drunk?

Those three women are a former manufacturing business owner, a former criminal barrister and an NHS GP. If you are to criticise and ridicule them for anything, let it be what they are, not what you imagine them to be.
She speaks in a tone that reminds me of being drunk and has done ever since I’ve watched her on telly. I don’t care if it’s a she a he an alien or a camel, it’s the tone of voice. It’s also a joke me and higgy are having so it’s not being derailed by moral high horsing.

So to me, she’s always hammered and it’s funny. The other two I don’t have an opinion on except that I think the Independent Group as a whole will do very well.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Mikers for this useful post:
  #18047  
Old 21.02.2019, 00:41
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: Küsnacht, Switzerland
Posts: 4,030
Groaned at 85 Times in 79 Posts
Thanked 8,063 Times in 3,751 Posts
Blueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Possible No.12

Quote:
BBC NewsnightVerifizierter Account
@BBCNewsnight
34 Min.Vor 34 MinutenMehr
"I would certainly cease to take the whip if I thought the Government was about to take us into a No Deal Brexit. I am absolutely clear about that" ...So you would leave the party? "I would have to leave the party - yes." Former Attorney General Dominic Grieve tells #newsnight
https://twitter.com/BBCNewsnight/sta...57643754668032
Reply With Quote
  #18048  
Old 21.02.2019, 07:57
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post
And Loz is squarely in camp 3. It's basically trolling but with lifelong, serious consequences.
What's worse: enjoying the long overdue breakdown of the political system in the hope that something better comes along, or leaping on any bad news (particularly job losses) in order to try and get the self satisfaction of a "told-you-so" moment over Brexit?

As far as I can see, the only thing that the Independent Group have in common is their Brexit stance. Ironically this will more likely split the Labour vote than the Conservative so this breakaway will only strengthen the Brexit cause.

If they do try to model themselves on a Macron style En Marche! Then it'll be over before it begins. I suspect there is little appetite for "centrism" at the moment in the UK. If the defections continue, and if May had any nous, then she would call a General Election in the next few months.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank for this useful post:
  #18049  
Old 21.02.2019, 08:04
baboon's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Rheintal
Posts: 3,840
Groaned at 125 Times in 111 Posts
Thanked 5,149 Times in 2,499 Posts
baboon has a reputation beyond reputebaboon has a reputation beyond reputebaboon has a reputation beyond reputebaboon has a reputation beyond reputebaboon has a reputation beyond reputebaboon has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post
What's worse: enjoying the long overdue breakdown of the political system in the hope that something better comes along, or leaping on any bad news (particularly job losses) in order to try and get the self satisfaction of a "told-you-so" moment over Brexit?
Offhand I can't think of a single example of a true breakdown of the political system being replaced by anything better. Always is much worse thereafter. I fully agree the UK system badly needs to be democratised but it has to happen through reform, not breakdown.

Oh and not self-satisfaction. Just a natural reaction to all the Brexit stuff that was predicted actually coming to pass but the likes of you always told us were project fear.
Reply With Quote
The following 3 users would like to thank baboon for this useful post:
  #18050  
Old 21.02.2019, 10:40
StirB's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Zurich
Posts: 3,388
Groaned at 140 Times in 122 Posts
Thanked 5,835 Times in 2,518 Posts
StirB has a reputation beyond reputeStirB has a reputation beyond reputeStirB has a reputation beyond reputeStirB has a reputation beyond reputeStirB has a reputation beyond reputeStirB has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post
What's worse: enjoying the long overdue breakdown of the political system in the hope that something better comes along, or leaping on any bad news (particularly job losses) in order to try and get the self satisfaction of a "told-you-so" moment over Brexit?
If it was just the political system, I'd be 100% behind you. The UK needs a major overhaul to be fit for purpose.
But, as you know, it is not only a political breakdown - whether you like it or not, the signs point towards an economical and consequently societal breakdown due to Brexit.

Unless we have a full scale revolution, the likelihood of which is infinitesimal, then the only people who will suffer here are the poorest in society (again) as wages stagnate, employment rates plummet and living costs skyrocket. The people who you want to shake up will emerge relatively unscathed, and they'll just blame some other section of society - foreigners and muslims have served them well, I reckon the Welsh are next, they are overdue a good kicking.
__________________
www.pubquiz.ch - for all your Quiz needs!
Reply With Quote
The following 4 users would like to thank StirB for this useful post:
  #18051  
Old 21.02.2019, 11:17
22 yards's Avatar
Only in moderation
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Basel-Land
Posts: 8,408
Groaned at 246 Times in 199 Posts
Thanked 15,705 Times in 6,493 Posts
22 yards has a reputation beyond repute22 yards has a reputation beyond repute22 yards has a reputation beyond repute22 yards has a reputation beyond repute22 yards has a reputation beyond repute22 yards has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post
What's worse: enjoying the long overdue breakdown of the political system in the hope that something better comes along, or leaping on any bad news (particularly job losses) in order to try and get the self satisfaction of a "told-you-so" moment over Brexit?
I'm not looking for self-satisfaction. I'm pretty sure it's not me who writes "just as I said, aren't I clever?" posts. No, all I'd like to see is a reversal of the ridiculous self-destructive path that is Brexit.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank 22 yards for this useful post:
  #18052  
Old 21.02.2019, 12:15
Sandgrounder's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: ZH
Posts: 13,626
Groaned at 126 Times in 117 Posts
Thanked 24,923 Times in 9,611 Posts
Sandgrounder has a reputation beyond reputeSandgrounder has a reputation beyond reputeSandgrounder has a reputation beyond reputeSandgrounder has a reputation beyond reputeSandgrounder has a reputation beyond reputeSandgrounder has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post

If they do try to model themselves on a Macron style En Marche! Then it'll be over before it begins. I suspect there is little appetite for "centrism" at the moment in the UK. If the defections continue, and if May had any nous, then she would call a General Election in the next few months.
Yeah, cos that went outstandingly well last time she did that.



Not sure whether the "centrism" label is relevant. People seem fed up with the utter and relentless dogs dinner being churned out of Parliament and the Independents seem to be the only ones acting like grown ups.

Maybe that is what the UK is now craving, regardless of which side of the Brexit fence you are sitting.
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank Sandgrounder for this useful post:
  #18053  
Old 21.02.2019, 12:35
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: Küsnacht, Switzerland
Posts: 4,030
Groaned at 85 Times in 79 Posts
Thanked 8,063 Times in 3,751 Posts
Blueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post
Not sure whether the "centrism" label is relevant. People seem fed up with the utter and relentless dogs dinner being churned out of Parliament and the Independents seem to be the only ones acting like grown ups.

Maybe that is what the UK is now craving, regardless of which side of the Brexit fence you are sitting.
That's exactly what it is for me.

All I want is mature, responsible adults, in a cross party coalition, working together to find what is best for the country as a whole. Unfortunately, thanks to Blukip and Momentum, that view has become fringe, radical and traitorous.
Reply With Quote
The following 3 users would like to thank Blueangel for this useful post:
  #18054  
Old 21.02.2019, 13:03
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post
Yeah, cos that went outstandingly well last time she did that.

Not sure whether the "centrism" label is relevant. People seem fed up with the utter and relentless dogs dinner being churned out of Parliament and the Independents seem to be the only ones acting like grown ups.

Maybe that is what the UK is now craving, regardless of which side of the Brexit fence you are sitting.
I don't think that is what the UK is craving, it needs to go either one way or the other first before coming back to the center. If a centrist were to somehow win a working majority (I don't for a moment believe it would) then we'd see the same levels of discontent that we currently see in Macron's France.

Anyway, let's see how long this "centrist" label lasts with the Independent Group. At the moment it's just being used to thinly veil their anti-Brexit stance, which is the only thing they have in common. I think as soon as they start to discuss any serious policies that their differences will evaporate any bonhomie that they currently have with one another.

As for Theresa May, as useless as she is, I think she'd be sensible to call the General Election. The Labour vote is far more likely to be split than the Tory one, and with May herself gone, I think they'd win by a landslide. The early polls are certainly seem to suggest this.

Reply With Quote
  #18055  
Old 21.02.2019, 13:13
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: Küsnacht, Switzerland
Posts: 4,030
Groaned at 85 Times in 79 Posts
Thanked 8,063 Times in 3,751 Posts
Blueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post
Anyway, let's see how long this "centrist" label lasts with the Independent Group. At the moment it's just being used to thinly veil their anti-Brexit stance, which is the only thing they have in common. I think as soon as they start to discuss any serious policies that their differences will evaporate any bonhomie that they currently have with one another.
Both Labour and the Tories describe themselves as a 'broad church' of opinion. Why can a centre ground party not also be a broad church and succeed?

Of course people are going to ask "Are you Labour or Tory?". It's going to be a while before people can accept that it's possible to take the best from both to create something that appeal to a wider audience, and then they'll all be accused of being Blairites.

Mature politics must cater to the needs of the people and also to business. It's folly to go solely down either route because they're interdependent.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Blueangel for this useful post:
  #18056  
Old 21.02.2019, 13:20
baboon's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Rheintal
Posts: 3,840
Groaned at 125 Times in 111 Posts
Thanked 5,149 Times in 2,499 Posts
baboon has a reputation beyond reputebaboon has a reputation beyond reputebaboon has a reputation beyond reputebaboon has a reputation beyond reputebaboon has a reputation beyond reputebaboon has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post
Both Labour and the Tories describe themselves as a 'broad church' of opinion. Why can a centre ground party not also be a broad church and succeed?
In the UK? Same as for any new party there, it's something known as First Past The Post. Nothing to do with centre or broad church, simply a system that is completely stacked against any new entrant.
Reply With Quote
  #18057  
Old 21.02.2019, 13:23
StirB's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Zurich
Posts: 3,388
Groaned at 140 Times in 122 Posts
Thanked 5,835 Times in 2,518 Posts
StirB has a reputation beyond reputeStirB has a reputation beyond reputeStirB has a reputation beyond reputeStirB has a reputation beyond reputeStirB has a reputation beyond reputeStirB has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post
Mature politics must cater to the needs of the people and also to business. It's folly to go solely down either route because they're interdependent.
It also must curb the worst excesses of both, especially in times like this, where the temptation is towards the outer fringes. A centrist party should in theory be able to do this better than any other.
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank StirB for this useful post:
  #18058  
Old 21.02.2019, 13:53
baboon's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Rheintal
Posts: 3,840
Groaned at 125 Times in 111 Posts
Thanked 5,149 Times in 2,499 Posts
baboon has a reputation beyond reputebaboon has a reputation beyond reputebaboon has a reputation beyond reputebaboon has a reputation beyond reputebaboon has a reputation beyond reputebaboon has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post
As for Theresa May, as useless as she is, I think she'd be sensible to call the General Election. The Labour vote is far more likely to be split than the Tory one, and with May herself gone, I think they'd win by a landslide.
Calling an election would involve having a definitive manifesto position on Brexit. Can't see agreement on that happening in her party any time soon.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank baboon for this useful post:
  #18059  
Old 21.02.2019, 14:22
Sandgrounder's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: ZH
Posts: 13,626
Groaned at 126 Times in 117 Posts
Thanked 24,923 Times in 9,611 Posts
Sandgrounder has a reputation beyond reputeSandgrounder has a reputation beyond reputeSandgrounder has a reputation beyond reputeSandgrounder has a reputation beyond reputeSandgrounder has a reputation beyond reputeSandgrounder has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post
Just for anyone who may have missed it, the Rat's back. Oh the irony.

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news...party-15850789
...aaannnd he's gone again...

Quote:
"You can leave, you're Hatton"
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Sandgrounder for this useful post:
  #18060  
Old 21.02.2019, 14:29
bigblue2's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Glarus
Posts: 7,942
Groaned at 480 Times in 400 Posts
Thanked 13,864 Times in 5,512 Posts
bigblue2 has a reputation beyond reputebigblue2 has a reputation beyond reputebigblue2 has a reputation beyond reputebigblue2 has a reputation beyond reputebigblue2 has a reputation beyond reputebigblue2 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

political parties should be banned! its ridiculous that we have 2 parties, one left, one right and they are forced to disagree with each other (more or less) and everyone in those parties is forced (more or less) to toe the party line.

People vote for their local mp, who is supposed to represent them, when in fact as soon as they are elected they have to do what the whip tells them, totally stupid. All votes in the commons should be totally free votes.

being a politician as a career should also be banned, one or two terms and you're done.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank bigblue2 for this useful post:
Reply

Tags
europe




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 8 (3 members and 5 guests)
reids, fatmanfilms, Gordon Comstock
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Latest Referendum, what will be consequences for EU (C permit and B permit) holders? expat2014 Permits/visas/government 3 11.02.2014 07:59
Importing vehicles and the VAT consequences in Switzerland from France BEFO Finance/banking/taxation 6 07.08.2013 14:11
The (Available in CH) Dog Food Review Thread meloncollie Pet corner 44 08.05.2012 19:15
Common-law marriage and consequences in CH Mishto Family matters/health 9 01.10.2011 21:03
Something for the Brits: M&S in CH mark Daily life 11 15.11.2007 11:18


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 10:39.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.1.0