The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[Blueangel]

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	...aaannnd he's gone again...

I loved the comments online "I hope they sent his suspension letter in a taxi, and charged the fare to him." He makes my skin crawl.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	bigblue2
	being a politician as a career should also be banned, one or two terms and you're done.

And lose accumulated knowledge and experience?

[bigblue2]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	And lose accumulated knowledge and experience?

lol just look at some of the long term politicians, you wouldn't trust them to order a round in the pub. These people are not super smart people, they don't actually do a lot, they have legions of advisers and civil servants doing the actual work, the world would happily carry on spinning if they where all replaced tomorrow.

[Urs Max]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	And lose accumulated knowledge and experience?

According to many, anybody can be a politician. Whether it's their car, the house, or the garden, people get specialists to do what needs doing but not when it comes to making laws and steering the country as a whole.


Perhaps they're also the people who are pennywise but pound-foolish.

[FrankZappa]

Aaand, I've had enough. Closed my UK bank account today (don't bother to tell me I should have done it years ago) and my interview for French nationality is fixed: 14th of March.

I have a childish fantasy of putting up a Youtube of my UK passport being burnt, but it's too useful having two.

Good luck UK, you'll need it.

	Quote:	FrankZappa
	I have a childish fantasy of putting up a Youtube of my UK passport being burnt, but it's too useful having two.

Had thoughts of doing that but I'm old enough to remember what the "Other" queues were like at UK passport control for my Swiss (then) girlfriend.

[Sky]

How does this work?

[marton]

Softening of tone from Honda

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	“Honda is on record as stating that its preferred scenario following Brexit is one that delivers frictionless trade, access to talent and regulatory alignment,” the company said. “It is true that a ‘no-deal’ scenario would cause a number of challenges for our operations. However, no one single event has led to the proposal to cease production at Swindon. The decision is in response to unprecedented change in the global automotive industry and the need to deploy electrification technologies across our business.”

Source

The Japanese carmaker, which said earlier this week that the closure was “not a Brexit-related issue”, appeared to dilute its rhetoric after the Guardian presented it with details of what Swindon residents were told last year [about why Brexit, in particular the prospect of a no-deal scenario, posed a threat to the factory.]

[eng_ch]

Confirmed at last night's Brexit event in Vaduz - residents in Schengen (incl. UK) don't need Schengen visas no matter what

	Quote:	FrankZappa
	I have a childish fantasy of putting up a Youtube of my UK passport being burnt, but it's too useful having two.

Perhaps you can burn it at one of their weekly public sessions?

[marton]

	Quote:	eng_ch
	Confirmed at last night's Brexit event in Vaduz - residents in Schengen (incl. UK) don't need Schengen visas no matter what

Could you please clarify, UK is not in Schengen

Currently UK is in the EU so UK citizens can visit EU countries for 90 days without a Schengen visa.

During a meeting in Strasbourg on 13th November 2018, the European Commission has proposed to place UK nationals under the list of visa-exempt third-country nationals, after March 29, 2019, when the United Kingdom finally leaves the European Union.
However, the proposal conditions the UK authorities to grant all EU nationals with reciprocal and non-discriminatory visa-free travel to the UK.

I assume the the UK authorities granting all EU nationals with reciprocal and non-discriminatory visa-free travel to the UK will only be finalised on March 29th?

	Quote:	marton
	Could you please clarify, UK is not in Schengen Currently UK is in the EU so UK citizens can visit EU countries for 90 days without a Schengen visa.

I assume they mean that nobody currently residing (legally) in the Schengen area, regardless of their nationality, requires a Schengen visa to remain there or to visit other Schengen states. Quite logical, really.

[Castro]

How does this work?

[marton]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Perhaps you can burn it at one of their weekly public sessions?

Ever fewer people turning up for these demos!

[greenmount]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Perhaps you can burn it at one of their weekly public sessions?

Well, that's freedom of assembly, speech and expression for you. It must cost a lot of money to clean up the mess though.

[eng_ch]

	Quote:	marton
	Could you please clarify, UK is not in Schengen

Residents of a Schengen country (including UK nationals) don't need Schengen visas - sorry, quick hit n run post this morning

[Blueangel]

Absolutely horrendous interview with Corbyn on Sky News today, plus a very telling piece of body language right at the end when he's asked is he'll lead the party into the next G.E. (up and to the left with his eyes - believed to indicate someone recalling a memory). I have a sinking feeling the the last GE was the biggest ego trip of his life, and he'll do anything to repeat it. I know it's all armchair psychology....

https://news.sky.com/story/jeremy-co...abour-11645028

[eng_ch]

The UK-CH agreement covers Swiss residents living in Switzerland but I'm sure many of us are either engaged in cross-border work, or have friends or family living in EU countries. The Costa amendment next week could be a major step forward for citizens' rights. It seems there will be widespread support for it, but if you could see your way clear to writing to your (last) MP to urge their support, a lot of people would be immensely grateful for your help in safeguarding their way of life & livelihoods. Whether you're pro or anti Brexit, this would be a win-win

	Quote:	British in Europe
	Conservative MP, Alberto Costa, is proposing an amendment to the motion being voted on in the House of Commons next Wednesday 27th Feb. The amendment (see below) calls for the Prime Minister to ask the EU to jointly agree *as soon as possible* to adopt the citizens' rights part of the Withdrawal Agreement - whatever happens with Brexit. Mr Costa has a lot of support from MPs already, cross party and across all wings of the Conservative party. The3million and British in Europe are writing to every single MP to ask for their support - to increase the chances of the Speaker selecting this amendment next week. However, it will make much more impact if MPs receive emails from their own constituents - so please write! If you like, you can download and attach (or link to) this joint British in Europe / the3million letter: https://bit.ly/BiE_t3m_Ringfencing_CostaAmendment The amendment: “This House considers the Prime Minister’s statement of 26th February and requires the Prime Minister to seek at the earliest opportunity a joint UK-EU commitment to adopt part two of the Withdrawal Agreement on Citizens Rights and ensure its implementation prior to the UK’s exiting the European Union, whatever the outcome of negotiations on other aspects of the Withdrawal Agreement”

[MusicChick]

	Quote:	marton
	Ever fewer people turning up for these demos!

Glad you agree with the inefficiency of these riots.

[fatmanfilms]

LISBON TREATY.Check it out if you wish ——>>
1: The UK along with all existing members of the EU lose their abstention veto in 2020 as laid down in the Lisbon Treaty when the system changes to that of majority acceptance with no abstentions or veto’s being allowed.
2: All member nations will become states of the new federal nation of the EU by 2022 as clearly laid out in the Lisbon treaty with no exceptions or veto’s.
3: All member states must adopt the Euro by 2022 and any new member state must do so within 2 years of joining the EU as laid down in the Lisbon treaty.
4: The London stock exchange will move to Frankfurt in 2020 and be integrated into the EU stock exchange resulting in a loss of 200,000 plus jobs in the UK because of the relocation. (This has already been pre-agreed and is only on a holding pattern due to the Brexit negotiations, which if Brexit does happen, the move is fully cancelled - but if not and the UK remains a member it’s full steam ahead for the move.)
5: The EU Parliament and ECJ become supreme over all legislative bodies of the UK.
6: The UK will adopt 100% of whatever the EU Parliament and ECJ lays down without any means of abstention or veto, negating the need for the UK to have the Lords or even the Commons as we know it today.
7: The UK will NOT be able to make its own trade deals.
8: The UK will NOT be able to set its own trade tariffs.
9 The UK will NOT be able to set its own trade quotas.
10: The UK loses control of its fishing rights
11: The UK loses control of its oil and gas rights
12: The UK loses control of its borders and enters the Schengen region by 2022 - as clearly laid down in the Lisbon treaty
13: The UK loses control of its planning legislation
14: The UK loses control of its armed forces including its nuclear deterrent
15: The UK loses full control of its taxation policy
16: The UK loses the ability to create its own laws and to implement them
17: The UK loses its standing in the Commonwealths
18: The UK loses control of any provinces or affiliated nations e.g.: Falklands, Cayman Islands, Gibraltar etc
19: The UK loses control of its judicial system
20: The UK loses control of its international policy
21: The UK loses full control of its national policy
22: The UK loses its right to call itself a nation in its own right.
23: The UK loses control of its space exploration program
24: The UK loses control of its Aviation and Sea lane jurisdiction
25: The UK loses its rebate in 2020 as laid down in the Lisbon treaty
26: The UK’s contribution to the EU is set to increase by an average of 1.2bn pa and by 2.3bn pa by 2020
This is the future that the youths of today think we stole from them? .