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View Poll Results: What would you personally prefer to happen?
I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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Old 23.02.2019, 11:30
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You won - get over it, maybe?

Not that it’s relevant now but the UK has opt outs for justice and home affairs so it’s not such a drama-llama situation as you’re painting. Maybe you just forgot to quote those bits?
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Residents of a Schengen country (including UK nationals) don't need Schengen visas - sorry, quick hit n run post this morning

Times running out for those British Expats and immigrants to register their residency

Right this is it with only 35 Days to go before what could be a No Deal Brexit, its about time we played
the El Degüello on our bugles for those British Davy Crockett's & Jim Bowie's Expats who reckon
nothings going to change, just sit tight - no action required as Santa Anna's army played by
the Guardia Civil get out their bugles and play the El Degüello meaning No Quarter for those who haven't
registered as Residents in their host EO country and others including Switzerland by the 29th March.

The El Degüello or No Quarter could be playing for those not registered

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LISBON TREATY.Check it out if you wish ——>>
1: The UK along with all existing members of the EU lose their abstention veto in 2020 as laid down in the Lisbon Treaty when the system changes to that of majority acceptance with no abstentions or veto’s being allowed.
2: All member nations will become states of the new federal nation of the EU by 2022 as clearly laid out in the Lisbon treaty with no exceptions or veto’s.
3: All member states must adopt the Euro by 2022 and any new member state must do so within 2 years of joining the EU as laid down in the Lisbon treaty.
4: The London stock exchange will move to Frankfurt in 2020 and be integrated into the EU stock exchange resulting in a loss of 200,000 plus jobs in the UK because of the relocation. (This has already been pre-agreed and is only on a holding pattern due to the Brexit negotiations, which if Brexit does happen, the move is fully cancelled - but if not and the UK remains a member it’s full steam ahead for the move.)
5: The EU Parliament and ECJ become supreme over all legislative bodies of the UK.
6: The UK will adopt 100% of whatever the EU Parliament and ECJ lays down without any means of abstention or veto, negating the need for the UK to have the Lords or even the Commons as we know it today.
7: The UK will NOT be able to make its own trade deals.
8: The UK will NOT be able to set its own trade tariffs.
9 The UK will NOT be able to set its own trade quotas.
10: The UK loses control of its fishing rights
11: The UK loses control of its oil and gas rights
12: The UK loses control of its borders and enters the Schengen region by 2022 - as clearly laid down in the Lisbon treaty
13: The UK loses control of its planning legislation
14: The UK loses control of its armed forces including its nuclear deterrent
15: The UK loses full control of its taxation policy
16: The UK loses the ability to create its own laws and to implement them
17: The UK loses its standing in the Commonwealths
18: The UK loses control of any provinces or affiliated nations e.g.: Falklands, Cayman Islands, Gibraltar etc
19: The UK loses control of its judicial system
20: The UK loses control of its international policy
21: The UK loses full control of its national policy
22: The UK loses its right to call itself a nation in its own right.
23: The UK loses control of its space exploration program
24: The UK loses control of its Aviation and Sea lane jurisdiction
25: The UK loses its rebate in 2020 as laid down in the Lisbon treaty
26: The UK’s contribution to the EU is set to increase by an average of 1.2bn pa and by 2.3bn pa by 2020
This is the future that the youths of today think we stole from them? .
That's quite a lot to paint on the side of a bus.
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That's quite a lot to paint on the side of a bus.
Which only leaves the final point.

27. Russia invades after being infiltrated since Soviet times by illegals and sleepers, with false identities
in order worm their way into positions of authority. Would make a great sequel to The Americans,
called The British !!
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LISBON TREATY.Check it out if you wish ——>>
1: The UK along with all existing members of the EU lose their abstention veto in 2020 as laid down in the Lisbon Treaty when the system changes to that of majority acceptance with no abstentions or veto’s being allowed.
2: All member nations will become states of the new federal nation of the EU by 2022 as clearly laid out in the Lisbon treaty with no exceptions or veto’s.
3: All member states must adopt the Euro by 2022 and any new member state must do so within 2 years of joining the EU as laid down in the Lisbon treaty.
4: The London stock exchange will move to Frankfurt in 2020 and be integrated into the EU stock exchange resulting in a loss of 200,000 plus jobs in the UK because of the relocation. (This has already been pre-agreed and is only on a holding pattern due to the Brexit negotiations, which if Brexit does happen, the move is fully cancelled - but if not and the UK remains a member it’s full steam ahead for the move.)
5: The EU Parliament and ECJ become supreme over all legislative bodies of the UK.
6: The UK will adopt 100% of whatever the EU Parliament and ECJ lays down without any means of abstention or veto, negating the need for the UK to have the Lords or even the Commons as we know it today.
7: The UK will NOT be able to make its own trade deals.
8: The UK will NOT be able to set its own trade tariffs.
9 The UK will NOT be able to set its own trade quotas.
10: The UK loses control of its fishing rights
11: The UK loses control of its oil and gas rights
12: The UK loses control of its borders and enters the Schengen region by 2022 - as clearly laid down in the Lisbon treaty
13: The UK loses control of its planning legislation
14: The UK loses control of its armed forces including its nuclear deterrent
15: The UK loses full control of its taxation policy
16: The UK loses the ability to create its own laws and to implement them
17: The UK loses its standing in the Commonwealths
18: The UK loses control of any provinces or affiliated nations e.g.: Falklands, Cayman Islands, Gibraltar etc
19: The UK loses control of its judicial system
20: The UK loses control of its international policy
21: The UK loses full control of its national policy
22: The UK loses its right to call itself a nation in its own right.
23: The UK loses control of its space exploration program
24: The UK loses control of its Aviation and Sea lane jurisdiction
25: The UK loses its rebate in 2020 as laid down in the Lisbon treaty
26: The UK’s contribution to the EU is set to increase by an average of 1.2bn pa and by 2.3bn pa by 2020
This is the future that the youths of today think we stole from them? .
But this is exactly why people voted to remain. Contrary to those silly brexiteers, they were well informed, knew the consequences, read the treaties and knew what they voted for.
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Old 23.02.2019, 16:18
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That's quite a lot to paint on the side of a bus.
Ah now, c'mon, they've got a bigger bus..

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Old 23.02.2019, 16:24
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But this is exactly why people voted to remain. Contrary to those silly brexiteers, they were well informed, knew the consequences, read the treaties and knew what they voted for.
Probably the simpler reason was that there was a strong smell of bullshit and incompetance coming off the Leave campaign. Seems the bullshit antaennae twitched with quite some accuracy.

Still twitching away now with the government’s ham fisted handling of the situation.
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A warning about the ERG, if Andrew Bridgen is truly representative of them and their aims and not just a vacuous self-serving tosspot. He's definitely not very bright, but even so, his cakehole has been flapping ten to the dozen.

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Amber Rudd, Greg Clark and David Gauke should step down, said Andrew Bridgen, a member of the hard-Brexit European Research Group (ERG). He said the ministers were rejecting government policy in breach of cabinet collective responsibility.

“What they are actually saying is that they are rejecting collective responsibility of being in government, they are rejecting government policy,” he told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme. “In that case, they should do the honourable thing and resign from the government immediately.”
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...andrew-bridgen


Surely this action would reduce May's majority down to....


Can't help thinking that the ERG have been listening to 'No Surprises'


"Bring down the government
They don't, they don't speak for us"


But even more disturbing from Bridgen's appearance of Radio 4's Today programme, is this...
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“We‘d be able to, umm, negotiate an interim period where we negotiate a deal.”
which you can listen to here https://twitter.com/sturdyAlex/statu...12859639672832
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Probably the simpler reason was that there was a strong smell of bullshit.
Coming off of a post with lots of bullet points somewhere earlier in the thread
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Well it made me chuckle

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So this is actually what project fear is! I would love to see these points referenced to the treaty because all I see here is lying.

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LISBON TREATY.Check it out if you wish ——>>
1: The UK along with all existing members of the EU lose their abstention veto in 2020 as laid down in the Lisbon Treaty when the system changes to that of majority acceptance with no abstentions or veto’s being allowed.
2: All member nations will become states of the new federal nation of the EU by 2022 as clearly laid out in the Lisbon treaty with no exceptions or veto’s.
3: All member states must adopt the Euro by 2022 and any new member state must do so within 2 years of joining the EU as laid down in the Lisbon treaty.
4: The London stock exchange will move to Frankfurt in 2020 and be integrated into the EU stock exchange resulting in a loss of 200,000 plus jobs in the UK because of the relocation. (This has already been pre-agreed and is only on a holding pattern due to the Brexit negotiations, which if Brexit does happen, the move is fully cancelled - but if not and the UK remains a member it’s full steam ahead for the move.)
5: The EU Parliament and ECJ become supreme over all legislative bodies of the UK.
6: The UK will adopt 100% of whatever the EU Parliament and ECJ lays down without any means of abstention or veto, negating the need for the UK to have the Lords or even the Commons as we know it today.
7: The UK will NOT be able to make its own trade deals.
8: The UK will NOT be able to set its own trade tariffs.
9 The UK will NOT be able to set its own trade quotas.
10: The UK loses control of its fishing rights
11: The UK loses control of its oil and gas rights
12: The UK loses control of its borders and enters the Schengen region by 2022 - as clearly laid down in the Lisbon treaty
13: The UK loses control of its planning legislation
14: The UK loses control of its armed forces including its nuclear deterrent
15: The UK loses full control of its taxation policy
16: The UK loses the ability to create its own laws and to implement them
17: The UK loses its standing in the Commonwealths
18: The UK loses control of any provinces or affiliated nations e.g.: Falklands, Cayman Islands, Gibraltar etc
19: The UK loses control of its judicial system
20: The UK loses control of its international policy
21: The UK loses full control of its national policy
22: The UK loses its right to call itself a nation in its own right.
23: The UK loses control of its space exploration program
24: The UK loses control of its Aviation and Sea lane jurisdiction
25: The UK loses its rebate in 2020 as laid down in the Lisbon treaty
26: The UK’s contribution to the EU is set to increase by an average of 1.2bn pa and by 2.3bn pa by 2020
This is the future that the youths of today think we stole from them? .
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Old 24.02.2019, 22:57
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Damn, once again, I shouldn't have been out enjoying "real life"—I'm too late to ask "so remind me, which side is Project Fear again?"
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Looking like an extension of Article 50 is unavoidable now...and all down to the PM's own actions and delays.

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No idea how it is proposed to pass the fully amendable Withdrawal Agreement Bill in 17 days post Mar 12 - this is actual legal instrument of ratification.

It’s all amendable - detail of £39bn+ bill, transition application of EU law, etc etc

Lords, ping pong etc etc

also some big statutory instruments some require a 28 day process and are yet to be laid...

The Big One:
Tariff schedules...
Massive decisions creating winners and losers between consumers and producers, and between different industry sectors - as yet not debated in Commons.....
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There is no way it could be passed in that time. An extension is inevitable for the purposes of this legislation, which must be enacted prior to ratification.
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Sometimes it takes an outsider to tell it as it is. From today’s New York Times:

“The bottom line is simple: Brexit has been, is and will be a disaster for Britain. The 2016 vote was manipulated through lies. A country that has benefited from its 46-year participation in a union of more than a half-billion Europeans is drifting toward a self-amputation understood by few, opposed by the young, abetted by a dissembling anti-American Labour leader, driven by little-England Tory right-wingers holding the country for ransom, and, according to polls, no longer wanted by the majority.”

From what I’ve seen, many of this thread’s regulars all come under the “understood by few” umbrella.
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So this is actually what project fear is! I would love to see these points referenced to the treaty because all I see here is lying.
I think FMF copied it from Buzzfeed's "26 Reasons you won't want to remain in the EU".

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I think FMF copied it from Buzzfeed's "26 Reasons you won't want to remain in the EU".
Do you have a link please? I can't find it on their site.
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