The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

	Quote:	Blueangel
	Do you have a link please? I can't find it on their site.

It's apparently being propagated by the likes of Tommy Robinson (no great surprise to see FMF spreading it then). No-one appears to know where it started. Some stuff here

https://tompride.wordpress.com/2018/...s-than-before/

[Rob]

I've seen this a few times and it's total BS.

I've seen this quite good response from a left-leaning blog.

https://anotherangryvoice.blogspot.c...HPqlDZcdzSa5C4

No doubt the usual suspects will scream "Project Fear" with their fingers in their ears.

Well, this is what happens when you have 40 years of campaign groups releasing nonsense rhetoric about EU policy. People who are that way inclined hoover it up without thinking.

	Quote:	k_and_e
	But this is exactly why people voted to remain. Contrary to those silly brexiteers, they were well informed, knew the consequences, read the treaties and knew what they voted for.

Wooosh.

Far more than Blueangel.

[curley]

	Quote:
	Well, this is what happens when you have 40 years of campaign groups releasing nonsense rhetoric about EU policy. People who are that way inclined hoover it up without thinking.

Shouldn't they be dysoning it up, to make their point?

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	Wooosh. Far more than Blueangel.

I hate to say it, baboon—I love your posts, and all that—but that's yet another wooosh...

[crema]

Is there a serious chance than Brexit won't even happen?

	Quote:	crema
	Is there a serious chance than Brexit won't even happen?

You're new around here, I can tell..

How does this work?

Bummer—looks like the UK is going to have to leave the UN, as well as the EU.

What was all that bollocks about the UK reclaiming her sovereignty, reimposing her position on the world stage, etc., etc...?

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	crema
	Is there a serious chance than Brexit won't even happen?

Yes...

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	Labour announce backing for a second Brexit referendum Jeremy Corbyn says the party will support public vote to "prevent a damaging Tory Brexit being forced on the country".

https://news.sky.com/story/labour-an...endum-11648217

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	Swisstree
	You're new around here, I can tell..

Remembering when my late sis-in-law was dragged into her daughter's infant school after their class Christmas party. The kids had been told they could take a CD and a game into school. My 5yr old niece raided my CD collection, told me she was borrowing Bjork 'Oh So Quiet', but had deliberately taken 'Firestarter' instead. Apparently, I'm a bad influence.

I digress....

[greenmount]

	Quote:	Rob
	Sometimes it takes an outsider to tell it as it is. From today’s New York Times: “The bottom line is simple: Brexit has been, is and will be a disaster for Britain. The 2016 vote was manipulated through lies. A country that has benefited from its 46-year participation in a union of more than a half-billion Europeans is drifting toward a self-amputation understood by few, opposed by the young, abetted by a dissembling anti-American Labour leader, driven by little-England Tory right-wingers holding the country for ransom, and, according to polls, no longer wanted by the majority.” From what I’ve seen, many of this thread’s regulars all come under the “understood by few” umbrella.

If someone has the curiosity, this is a very interesting discussion. You may not agree with everything he says, but it's definitely some quality food for thought here too. He (Yuval Harari) explains Trump, Brexit and similar movements.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szt7f5NmE9E

	Quote:	Blueangel
	Yes... https://news.sky.com/story/labour-an...endum-11648217

That’s just Corbyn half heartedly trying to stop a full on split in his parliamentary party. It won’t work and neither will it result in a second referendum

32 days to go

[curley]

	Quote:
	Bummer—looks like the UK is going to have to leave the UN, as well as the EU. What was all that bollocks about the UK reclaiming her sovereignty, reimposing her position on the world stage, etc., etc...?

From the link:

<<The UK Foreign Office said: "This is an advisory opinion, not a judgment." >>

this term will be tattooed on my brain for ever


Ah it even goes on: <<It added it would look "carefully" at the detail of the opinion, which is not legally binding.>>

	Quote:	curley
	From the link: <<The UK Foreign Office said: "This is an advisory opinion, not a judgment." >> this term will be tattooed on my brain for ever Ah it even goes on: <<It added it would look "carefully" at the detail of the opinion, which is not legally binding.>>

That hadn't escaped my notice, either. A non-legally binding advisory opinion can mean only one thing: the UK will charge ahead full tilt to ensure it gets implemented, completely, definitely, with no consideration of the consequences. Some time within the next 20 years. Maybe.

[krlock3]

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	I think FMF copied it from Buzzfeed's "26 Reasons you won't want to remain in the EU". YOU WON'T BELIEVE WHAT POINT 23 SAYS!!11!

Point 25 made me cry.

[amogles]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	That’s just Corbyn half heartedly trying to stop a full on split in his parliamentary party. It won’t work and neither will it result in a second referendum

Actually, he's sort of right. The present scenario is going to end up with MPs being under pressure to chose between a botched deal and a no deal. But the EU doesn't seem open to the option of negotiating a better deal, and even with Corbyn as PM, that's not going to happen. So he's probably deluding himself there, or playing his supporter base for stupid.

If you try to take all the emotions and partisanship out of it, a second referendum could be a way for the government to save face. If I was a fence sitter, I would see that as a good exit strategy. Intentionally bungle the campaign so the remain side wins and say, hey, look, this changes everything.

And just maybe, such a result could be suicide for the Tory party. But with Corbyn's track record of being able to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, I doubt he'll be able to make much out of it.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	amogles
	But the EU doesn't seem open to the option of negotiating a better deal, and even with Corbyn as PM, that's not going to happen.

There's little doubt that May went at the negotiations all wrong. Allegedly, she went in Day 1 with a list of her red lines before even reading the 'menu'. Do that in a restaurant and you're going to end up with a plain green salad, beans on toast (if you're very lucky) or walking out the door. May's managed to come away with the plain green salad drowned in tabasco, but now she wants the EU to remove the tabasco from her salad to make it more palatable.

Crisis Day 623 in the Big Brother......House of Commons.

For anyone wishing that they'd bought shares in popcorn 3yrs ago, there are two rather (on the surface of it) innocuous things to watch out for.

1. The UK has the wrong type of pallets for exporing goods to the EU and 31 days to rectify the matter.
https://www.businessinsider.com/brex...19-2?r=US&IR=T

2. And this is a doozy...

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	Times No 10 braced for another Tory departure as Alberto Costa expects to be sacked as PPS to David Mundell for new moves to protect EU citizens’ rights

https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/s...04073990041600

The MP in question has retweeted this article.

Remember when Owen Smith was sacked from the Labour front bench for trying to protect the rights of his N.I. constituents? Now we have Alberto Costa threatened with the sack for trying to protect the rights of Brits living in the EU. Why is there such resistence, on both sides of the House, to people's rights being protected? Hmmm.....

[TobiasM]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	That’s just Corbyn half heartedly trying to stop a full on split in his parliamentary party. It won’t work and neither will it result in a second referendum 32 days to go

And Corbyn knows it!

But I do get the niggling feeling that TM is also only half heartedly pushing any Brexit deal, maybe in the hope that the whole fiasco flop so badly that a second referendum is inevitable. A canny double play at remaining! Which will eventually win her accolade and gratitude for saving Britain and the EU from falling into the precipice, perhaps posthumously she will be recognised as a political genius. Stranger things have happened

[greenmount]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	Remember when Owen Smith was sacked from the Labour front bench for trying to protect the rights of his N.I. constituents? Now we have Alberto Costa threatened with the sack for trying to protect the rights of Brits living in the EU. Why is there such resistence, on both sides of the House, to people's rights being protected? Hmmm.....

Because people getting angrier and angrier at EU is a good thing for Brexiteers?

And also, that would imply reciprocity from UK's part....