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View Poll Results: What would you personally prefer to happen?
I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Alberto Costa has been sacked for tabling a motion in the Commons that would protect the rights of British citizens living in the EU, despite the motion having wide, cross party support. Freakin' livid!

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Alberto Costa has been sacked for tabling a motion in the Commons that would protect the rights of British citizens living in the EU, despite the motion having wide, cross party support. Freakin' livid!

https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/sta...37973258199042

It was suggested yesterday that he would be; I just hope he's reinstated if the government does support the amendment as Sajid Javid said this morning it would be


It makes a total mockery of frankly both sides' (UK & EU) avowal at the outset that citizens' rights were their priority. A plague on both their houses
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If the UK is still a full member at the time of the election, it would stand to reason that the UK will also be able to elect MEPs.
IIRC article 50 says that the UK is no longer part of any decision-taking once the note has been delivered. Clearly the parliament, the lawgiver, is part of such decision making.
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Old 27.02.2019, 15:32
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IIRC article 50 says that the UK is no longer part of any decision-taking once the note has been delivered. Clearly the parliament, the lawgiver, is part of such decision making.
I thought that too but according to this site the UK MEPs are still happily voting even now (period 1.1.18 - now).
Farage is still only turning up for less than 50% of the votes.
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IIRC article 50 says that the UK is no longer part of any decision-taking once the note has been delivered. Clearly the parliament, the lawgiver, is part of such decision making.
It would seem that Der Spiegel thinks otherwise.

http://www.spiegel.de/politik/auslan...a-1251165.html
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IIRC article 50 says that the UK is no longer part of any decision-taking once the note has been delivered. Clearly the parliament, the lawgiver, is part of such decision making.
See article 50 here: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-cont...EX%3A12012M050
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By my reading, all that means is - logically - the UK's (in this case) representative on the council can't negotiate for both parties. Not that all involvement in the legislature stops upon invocation of Art 50
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I'm pro leave myself, but looking at this objectively, I would have thought an election campaign for the MEP election would be a huge boost to the remain side as candidates of all parties would have to talk about what they want to do inside the EU legislative (and what they have done so far), and thus indirectly leverage appreciation of what the EU can do.

So strange really, that we haven't seen much yet in the way of subtle pre-election pre-campaigning.
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Sounds like you've missed out on the recent weekly party political broadcasts just before ITN's evening news.
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Old 28.02.2019, 15:31
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I'm pro leave myself, but looking at this objectively, I would have thought an election campaign for the MEP election would be a huge boost to the remain side as candidates of all parties would have to talk about what they want to do inside the EU legislative (and what they have done so far), and thus indirectly leverage appreciation of what the EU can do.

So strange really, that we haven't seen much yet in the way of subtle pre-election pre-campaigning.
Apart from the Queen - is anybody subtle in GB?
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Government pays Eurotunnel £33m over Brexit ferry case

The government will pay £33m to Eurotunnel in an agreement to settle a lawsuit over extra ferry services in the event of a no-deal Brexit.
In December, the Department for Transport (DfT) contracted three suppliers to provide additional freight capacity for lorries.


Eurotunnel said the contracts were handed out in a "secretive" way.
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-47414699

Will anybody have the decency to resign over this omnishambles? Mr Grayling?
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Surely not Failing Grayling.
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Will anybody have the decency to resign over this omnishambles? Mr Grayling?
Just when you think things cannot get worse, they do!
There is a growing tendency these days for politicians to make decisions without consulting advisers or lawyers and then dropping themselves deep in the brown stuff

Trump, of course, is the prime example!
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Just when you think things cannot get worse, they do!
There is a growing tendency these days for politicians to make decisions without consulting advisers or lawyers and then dropping themselves deep in the brown stuff

Trump, of course, is the prime example!
Trump has advisors?

maybe you are confusing them with yes men.
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Just when you think things cannot get worse, they do!
There is a growing tendency these days for politicians to make decisions without consulting advisers or lawyers and then dropping themselves deep in the brown stuff

Trump, of course, is the prime example!
But if he doesn't have good advisors or doesn't listen to them, did he become president all by himself?
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For those people who claimed the UK will quickly settle a free trade deal with the US here is a link to the official US Govt negotiating objectives; in 15 Chapters.

Apart from the already discussed reductions in food standards they want to protect themselves from a post Brexit currency collapse making UK goods more competitive in the US with;
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- Ensure that the UK avoids manipulating exchange rates in order to prevent effective balance of payments adjustment or to gain an unfair competitive advantage

For those people happy to escape the European Court of Justice then this agreement will have its own dispute settlement mechanism and there is a final sting in the tail;
Seek the elimination of politically motivated nontariff barriers on Israeli goods, services, or other commerce imposed on Israel; and
Seek the elimination of state-sponsored unsanctioned foreign boycotts of Israel, or compliance with the Arab League Boycott of Israel.
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But if he doesn't have good advisors or doesn't listen to them, did he become president all by himself?
I thought the Russians rigged the election. But failed to rig the popular vote.

Amateurs these Russians.

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I thought the Russians rigged the election. But failed to rig the popular vote.

Amateurs these Russians.

Gotta cut them some slack; The popular vote is not something the Russians learnt to care about.

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So Trump is asking us to drop animal welfare and standards, same for other produce - and now requesting a VETO on any deal we may (so far ... not so good) - get,, which he might consider not in the interest of the US. Oh and the NHS too. Probably workers' rights next I imagine.

And they call it 'getting back control'

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So Trum is asking us to drop animal welfare and standards, same for other produce - and now requesting a VETO on any deal we may (so far ... not so good) - get,, which he might consider not in the interest of the US. Oh and the NHS - workers' rights next I imagine.

And they call it 'getting back control'
Animal welfare and NHS worker's rights in one single sentence
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