The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[marton]

	Quote:	k_and_e
	But if he doesn't have good advisors or doesn't listen to them, did he become president all by himself?

He did it all himself, in the process making some promises which are proving ever more difficult to keep

Corrected. Workers' rights - for all, not just NHS.

[fatmanfilms]

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	Corrected. Workers' rights - for all, not just NHS.

Workers rights will make employing people a second choice AI will replace many people. AI is better at diagnosis than Dr's, it's a sad fact but we will need many less Dr's going forward.

Most people want a human as a doctor, for all sorts of reasons- perhaps robots do not.

[fatmanfilms]

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	Most people want a human as a doctor, for all sorts of reasons- perhaps robots do not.

People will always have a choice, but they might have to pay out of their own pocket to see Dr rather than a robot provided free on the NHS. Many people choose alternative medicine not covered by the NHS so this is nothing new.

[marton]

	Quote:	marton
	For those people who claimed the UK will quickly settle a free trade deal with the US here is a link to the official US Govt negotiating objectives; in 15 Chapters. Apart from the already discussed reductions in food standards they want to protect themselves from a post Brexit currency collapse making UK goods more competitive in the US with; Currency: - Ensure that the UK avoids manipulating exchange rates in order to prevent effective balance of payments adjustment or to gain an unfair competitive advantage For those people happy to escape the European Court of Justice then this agreement will have its own dispute settlement mechanism and there is a final sting in the tail; Seek the elimination of politically motivated nontariff barriers on Israeli goods, services, or other commerce imposed on Israel; and Seek the elimination of state-sponsored unsanctioned foreign boycotts of Israel, or compliance with the Arab League Boycott of Israel.

I missed this sentence in the official US Govt negotiating objectives;
Provide a mechanism to ensure transparency and take appropriate action if the UK negotiates a free trade agreement with a non-market country.
This seems to be an attempt to control which countries the UK will be allowed to write trade agreements with

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Many people choose alternative medicine not covered by the NHS so this is nothing new.

How many? 17.4 million perchance?

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	How many? 17.4 million perchance?

Over their lifetime probably more. From my personal experience over the last year I would say Surgeons & Dr's are quite blinkered.

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Workers rights will make employing people a second choice AI will replace many people. AI is better at diagnosis than Dr's, it's a sad fact but we will need many less Dr's going forward.

Yeah....i can see AI doing lots of assays and testing, maybe surgery. But it will take a long time for AI to mange idiopathic conditions, and certainly mental issues. And someone’s going to have to make sure the AI is following the correct models, and updating with new knowledge.

Diagnosis is just one part of medical care, anyway. There’s treatment, compliance, managing side effects and on and on. But sure, AI can help. And will it be less expensive than a doctor? Who knows, because someone/something has to maintain the AI and keep it up to date. Interesting thought though......

[Troublawesome]

I've been in IT for top tier banks my whole life(big $$ thrown in IT) and the code everywhere looks like a piece of s**t written by a monkey.


The fact that you think humans can write AI to treat cancer makes me laugh without stop. We're at least 2-3 decades away from something remotely close to that, let's see how the tidepod eating, multi-gender generation does first as these days 'experts' in the UK and US are treated like criminals.(Brexit, Trump etc)


I suspect we'll have a few years where the world will be closer to the movie Idiocracy rather than Interstellar.

[robBob]

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[marton]

Nobody interested in commenting on the rather scary proposal from the United States who will be seeking major concessions in exchange for a free trade agreement.
A lot of negotiation will be required plus the US is going through the formal route including approval by Congress so any Leave claims of a quick deal are down the toilet

[mediasapiens]

	Quote:	marton
	For those people who claimed the UK will quickly settle a free trade deal with the US here is a link to the official US Govt negotiating objectives; in 15 Chapters. For those people happy to escape the European Court of Justice then this agreement will have its own dispute settlement mechanism and there is a final sting in the tail; Seek the elimination of politically motivated nontariff barriers on Israeli goods, services, or other commerce imposed on Israel; and Seek the elimination of state-sponsored unsanctioned foreign boycotts of Israel, or compliance with the Arab League Boycott of Israel.

Oh dear , may I ask whose tail does it sting?

P.S. Aside, my main interest is; will CHF bounce due to Brexit? I'd like to see a better exchange rate.

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	marton
	Nobody interested in commenting on the rather scary proposal from the United States who will be seeking major concessions in exchange for a free trade agreement. A lot of negotiation will be required plus the US is going through the formal route including approval by Congress so any Leave claims of a quick deal are down the toilet

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	US lawmakers have warned that the UK must ensure a “soft” Irish border if London wants to secure a trade deal with Washington, further clouding Theresa May’s hope of boosting British trade after Brexit.

Source: Financial Times

[Troublawesome]

	Quote:	marton
	Nobody interested in commenting on the rather scary proposal from the United States who will be seeking major concessions in exchange for a free trade agreement. A lot of negotiation will be required plus the US is going through the formal route including approval by Congress so any Leave claims of a quick deal are down the toilet

Probably we're all getting Brexit fatigue, why bother with these details? Leavers don't care, experts are useless after all. Sensible people cannot repeat themselves all the time so at this point, everyone is like YOLO let's see what happens.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	marton
	Nobody interested in commenting on the rather scary proposal from the United States who will be seeking major concessions in exchange for a free trade agreement.

I don't believe it's a lack of interest. It's been pretty much a given for a long time, as you can see here....

https://twitter.com/BBCNewsnight/sta...15225827024896

Doesn't make it right, but there are bigger fish to fry, and less than 20 days to do it in.

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	Jo Maugham QC@JolyonMaugham 93% of the way to the target. But we need the last 7% or we get nothing. Jo Maugham QC added, Jo Maugham QC@JolyonMaugham A No Deal Brexit means - the evidence says - drug shortages. Stockpiling will only work for a few weeks. And the measures Government has put in place to deal with shortages are unlawful and risk patients' health. https://www.crowdjustice.com/case/no...y-for-no-deal/ … 4:52 AM - 3 Mar 2019

https://twitter.com/JolyonMaugham/st...90128150335488

[marton]

	Quote:	mediasapiens
	Oh dear , may I ask whose tail does it sting? P.S. Aside, my main interest is; will CHF bounce due to Brexit? I'd like to see a better exchange rate.

Planning to go back to UK but first sell stuff here?

[mediasapiens]

	Quote:	marton
	Planning to go back to UK but first sell stuff here?

God no! They would have to escort me out with armed guards and German shepherds before I leave Switzerland.

[YuropFlyer]

	Quote:	mediasapiens
	God no! They would have to escort me out with armed guards and German shepherds before I leave Switzerland.

Noted

[Blueangel]

The initial fundraising target has been reached today, and litigation can begin...

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	Jo Maugham QC@JolyonMaugham 39m39 minutes ago We're really grateful for your support; we've now hit our initial target. And @Channel4News will be covering the litigation this evening.

https://www.crowdjustice.com/case/no...y-for-no-deal/